Linux-Setup Digest #322, Volume #20 Mon, 1 Jan 01 18:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Upgrading X server (E J)
Re: Where to buy a laptop? ("Phil")
Re: Send but no receive on network (David)
KDE switch back to fvwm ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: another question with xcdroast, previous problem solved (Bill Unruh)
Re: wndows and suse on same disc? ("donk")
Re: accessing linux partitions from Windows? (Colin Watson)
RPM Vs. Source Vs. Binary ??? (MrTaboo)
Re: accessing linux partitions from Windows? ("Phil")
Matrox AGP G450 on Redhat 7 - Can't get X to Start (Tom Voltaggio)
Re: su, login.defs, environment variables (David)
Re: RPM Vs. Source Vs. Binary ??? (Michael Heiming)
Roaring Pengquin a showstopper in kernel 2.2.18 (Seth Rothberg)
Compile errors (***[EMAIL PROTECTED]***)
Installing and Booting from a Jaz Drive (JWR)
Re: Installing and Booting from a Jaz Drive (David)
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Upgrading X server
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:48:14 GMT
Go to www.xfree86.org and get XFree86 4.02 and it will support your chip.
According to http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.2/SiS1.html#1
This driver was primarily written for the SiS6326 and SiS530 by Alan
Hourihane. It also works on 5597/5598 chips, and probably on
older SiS862X5 family.
The driver supports :
Linear Addressing
8/15/16/24 bits per pixel
Fully programmable clocks are supported
H/W acceleration and cursor support
XAA support (XFree86 Acceleration Architecture)
Julio wrote:
> The discount "Installing Linux" book I bought has RH 6.0 which has an older
> version of XFree86 (3.3.3). Of course, that pkg does not support my onboard
> Sis530 video card but the newer 3.3.6 does. Is it possible to just download
> the updated XSVGA server and put it in the right dir and re run
> Xconfigurator or do I have to get the whole 3.3.6 pkg (or just go find a RH
> 6.2 distrib)?
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From: "Phil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where to buy a laptop?
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:06:45 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Robert A. Knop Jr.,,,"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was trying to price laptops, and I understand that you can buy them
> nowadays without also buying Windows, but I haven't figured out where.
> I hear that Dell sells Linux laptops, but so far on their site when I
> try to configure a sample system for pricing purposes, it always comes
> with Windows. (It also comes with other things I don't want like
> Windows add-on software and MSN and/or AOL subscriptions.)
>
> Even a eLinux.com, a quick perusal of the laptops they list all come
> with some form of a MS operating system.
>
> Can one recommend to me where I might find a laptop with Linux
> reinstalled, or an OS-less laptop? I'm not buying at the moment, but
> trying to price them.
>
> (Ideally also I'd like to buy a laptop without an internal modem, since
> they all seem to be WinModems that one can't use on Linux. If anybody
> knows of a laptop that's got a real modem inside, please let me know!)
>
> -Rob
>
Dell also reportedly support Linux on Laptops. If you are in europe you
may like to try and get a copy of the Linux Format Magazine issue 04,
August 2000 which identifies several laptops capable of running linux out
of the box. This includes the Sony Vaio.
Phil
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Send but no receive on network
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:09:44 GMT
Joe Halpin wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get a firewall setup. The firewall box has a working
> connection to the internet (I'm using it now), and appears to have a
> good connection to the internal lan as well. No firewalling has been
> setup as yet though (no icmp filters, etc).
>
> The problem is the other box. When I first install linux (Mandrake
> 7.1), everything works fine. The two boxes can communicate with each
> other, ping works, telnet, etc.
>
> As soon as I reboot the non-firewall box, it can't receive anything
> any more. I've reinstalled it several times just to verify that I'm
> not imagining things, and it's the same way every time. Right after
> installation everything's great, then as soon as I reboot it can't
> receive any more.
>
> I've verified this by running tcpdump on both machines. When I ping
> the firewall box, it gets the arp request, and responds, but tcpdump
> on the other box shows that it doesn't get the response.
>
> I tried arp -s to manually setup static cache entries in both
> machines. Then the non-firewall box couldn't receive ping responses
> from the firewall box. When I tried to telnet to the firewall box from
> the other one, the other one couldn't receive the SYN/ACK from the
> firewal, and it continued sending the same SYN segment, to which the
> firewall kept sending the same SYN/ACK segment.
>
> I've never heard of this kind of thing happening, and would appreciate
> any ideas about how to get past this.
Have you tried restarting the network on the firewall box?
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
Also check to see if network is starting at boot time on the
non-firewall box. you can use as root "setup" then choose System
Services or use "ntsysv" or whatever Mandrake uses.
You might also check to see if your configuration for the network card
is being lost or changed when you reboot. If you are running X you can
use "netcfg" to configure the network settings.
Check /etc/conf.modules or modules.conf depending which your system uses
and be sure that the "alias eth0 module" line is using the correct
module for you card.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: KDE switch back to fvwm
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:10:35 GMT
I'm running KDE on Redhat on a 640x480 monitor.
I try to run a lot of the tools like
linuxconf, kde control, etc and the window is bigger than
my monitor. I can't shrink them down enough to click OK or CANCEL.
I want to go back to something like fvwm which allowed me to
see the bottom part of my windows.
How do I switch to fvwm?
Is there another window manager that will fix this?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: another question with xcdroast, previous problem solved
Date: 1 Jan 2001 20:32:25 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Gene Heskett"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
]That said, I did use xcdroast for a while, but its incorporation of
]internal versions of mkisofs and cdrecord can be both a blessing and a
]prisoners ball and chain. The blessing is that its dead stable. I
]first recompiled it to use the newer versions, but the gui itself only
]knows about what the older versions can do, so thats a waste of time and
]effort.
The latest version of xcdroast (.98test8) does allow the inclusion of
the new cdrecord (1.9 I think) etc. It also allows the use of more of
the properties of cdrecord ( bootable disks especially).
]I've been using GToaster (aka Gnome Toaster) because that allows one to
]update cdrecord etc, 95% of the time without breaking anything. Its
]also being developed at a higher pace than xcdroast with at least 4
]releases in the last half of '00 to date, 12 hours to go here.
Well, xcdroast I think has had about 8 but then those are "test
versions. Until test6, the author advised sticking with .96 but now he
advises switching even though .98 is not yet finished. It works well-- a
few cosmetic bugs (The audio play says it is playing a new track but
keeps playing the old one in certain conditions, the fifo buffer report
reports an empty buffer between tracks, when it is not empty) Not that
I have tried GToaster.
-- Just did Certainly a very different layout from xcdroast, and the
cdplayer software has a hard time keeping the buffer fulll- all sorts of
glitches in the playing of a file. (woops that was the ESD sound system,
the OSS seems to work much more reliably).
So many possibilities. Isn't Linux frustrating and great. It reminds me
of collegues from Russia who visited me in the late 70's. The would go
into a department store and just wander for hours unable to buy anything
because there was so much choice.
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From: "donk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wndows and suse on same disc?
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:37:13 -0000
You can run both easily, is your disk already partitioned (e.g. got a D
drive) if so install it on that. If not there is a program called FIPS on
the Linux startup disk that will allow you to re-partition the disk without
affecting data already in it.
Rt
"Malcolm Gard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:92qbpi$4qm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm currently running Windows ME, which i didn't buy, it came as a
freebie.
> My wife bought me SuSe Linux 7.0 for christmas, probably cause i'm always
> cursing
> Microsoft products! I was hoping to try both systems on the same
harddisc.
> When i follow
> the on screen instructions i get to a part where it says 'no other
> operating system has been
> detected'. A couple of screens before that i'm given a choice of using the
> entire hard disc or
> one of the partitions in the free region shown. Apart from 'entire disc' ,
> the only other option
> is 1 8.03MB, Win......, i take it i need partitions! I dont
want
> to lose ME at the moment
> Am i doing some thing wrong , or is what i'm thying to do not possible?
Help
> greatly apprieciated!!
>
> Many thanks
> Malcolm
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Subject: Re: accessing linux partitions from Windows?
Date: 1 Jan 2001 20:51:12 GMT
Trebor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have found plenty of information regarding linux's ability to see
>Windows partitions of various types. But what about the converse
>situation?
>
>I have Win95 (fat32, 2GB) and redhat 7.0 installed on separate
>partitions of the same drive. I would like to boot up Win95 and be able
>to mount one of the linux partitions (eg, /usr) to a Win95 drive letter
>(eg, E:).
I don't know about actually mounting the partition (although I remember
hearing about a driver once), but you could try this:
http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/Explore2fs.htm
--
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"Lisp programs also have the advantage that very few programmers know
Lisp, so your employer will have to keep you on staff to maintain it."
- Joel Ray Holveck in Vigor, http://www.red-bean.com/~joelh/vigor/
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From: MrTaboo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RPM Vs. Source Vs. Binary ???
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:06:23 GMT
Okay, RPM, I must admit, is pretty simple to install AND it allows for an
easy uninstallation or upgrade of a software package. BUT - some software
isn't distributed as RPM packages. Plus, to add to my confusion, I've
heard that compiling the source code is actually the "bestest" (is that a
word?) way to go because it optimizes the code for your system. AND - yet
another route I've seen are binary files already compiled for a certain
processor (e.g. x486, Pentium, PII) but that you have to manually install
and isn't "tracked" per se as a RPM package is.
So my first question is which is the best route to take when installing
packages? RPM, compile then install the source, or pre-compiled and
manually install the software?
Also, RPM keeps track of where everything is installed so it can uninstall
it later. If I manually install something how can I remove it later? How
do I figure out what it installed and where it installed it?
If it matters, I'm running RH7 with a PII processor and using the
2.4-prerelease kernel. Btw, I'm not a wizard at Linux yet but am working
hard to become one.
TIA
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From: "Phil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: accessing linux partitions from Windows?
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:26:33 +0000
In article <92qqk0$ltq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Trebor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I have found plenty of information regarding linux's ability to see
>>Windows partitions of various types. But what about the converse
>>situation?
>>
>>I have Win95 (fat32, 2GB) and redhat 7.0 installed on separate
>>partitions of the same drive. I would like to boot up Win95 and be able
>>to mount one of the linux partitions (eg, /usr) to a Win95 drive letter
>>(eg, E:).
>
> I don't know about actually mounting the partition (although I remember
> hearing about a driver once), but you could try this:
>
> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/Explore2fs.htm
>
ltools I think is the name of the package that allows access to Linux
from windows. Try using http://www.google.com and search for ltools
Phil
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From: Tom Voltaggio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Matrox AGP G450 on Redhat 7 - Can't get X to Start
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:41:26 GMT
Has anyone gotten Redhat Linux 7 to work with Matrox AGP
G450?
Everything installs and it sees my video card and monitor,
but
it will not give me more than vertical lines or "out of scan
range"
messages on my monitor (a Sony E210). I downloaded the new
driver
from Matrox with no luck. Redhat 7 uses Xfree 4.01.1. I
checked
the monitor scan rates from the specs and have used every
permutation
of scan rates and monitors. No luck.
Is there any way I can get it to start in plain VGA?
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: su, login.defs, environment variables
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:05:42 GMT
Ollie Acheson wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tip. That gets the standard path set up, but I still don't know
> how to set environment variables that are unique to the su-session.
>
> Ollie
You can enter "env" at a command line and it will show you a list of the
variables available within your working enviornment.
Many of the enviornment variables are defined during the login process
and either can't or shouldn't be changed. You can add or change as many
variables as you want to as long as you don't change any of the ones
that have been marked "read-only"
Variables are set in the form VARIABLE=value
Meaning the variable can be set to anything you want but some have
predefined meanings to standard programs.
Check "man env" if you haven't
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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 23:17:48 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM Vs. Source Vs. Binary ???
MrTaboo wrote:
> Okay, RPM, I must admit, is pretty simple to install AND it allows for an
> easy uninstallation or upgrade of a software package. BUT - some software
> isn't distributed as RPM packages. Plus, to add to my confusion, I've
> heard that compiling the source code is actually the "bestest" (is that a
> word?) way to go because it optimizes the code for your system. AND - yet
> another route I've seen are binary files already compiled for a certain
> processor (e.g. x486, Pentium, PII) but that you have to manually install
> and isn't "tracked" per se as a RPM package is.
>
Hello,
I'm no way an expert with rpm, but if you type just rpm you get:
This may be freely redistributed under the terms of the GNU GPL
usage: rpm {--help}
rpm {--version}
rpm {--initdb} [--dbpath <dir>]
rpm {--install -i} [-v] [--hash -h] [--percent] [--force] [--test]
[--replacepkgs] [--replacefiles] [--root <dir>]
[--excludedocs] [--includedocs] [--noscripts]
[--rcfile <file>] [--ignorearch] [--dbpath <dir>]
[--prefix <dir>] [--ignoreos] [--nodeps] [--allfiles]
[--ftpproxy <host>] [--ftpport <port>] [--justdb]
[--httpproxy <host>] [--httpport <port>]
[--noorder] [--relocate oldpath=newpath]
[--badreloc] [--notriggers] [--excludepath <path>]
[--ignoresize] file1.rpm ... fileN.rpm
rpm {--upgrade -U} [-v] [--hash -h] [--percent] [--force] [--test]
[--oldpackage] [--root <dir>] [--noscripts]
[--excludedocs] [--includedocs] [--rcfile <file>]
[--ignorearch] [--dbpath <dir>] [--prefix <dir>]
[--ftpproxy <host>] [--ftpport <port>]
[--httpproxy <host>] [--httpport <port>]
[--ignoreos] [--nodeps] [--allfiles] [--justdb]
[--noorder] [--relocate oldpath=newpath]
[--badreloc] [--excludepath <path>] [--ignoresize]
file1.rpm ... fileN.rpm
rpm {--query -q} [-afpg] [-i] [-l] [-s] [-d] [-c] [-v] [-R]
[--scripts] [--root <dir>] [--rcfile <file>]
[--whatprovides] [--whatrequires] [--requires]
[--triggeredby] [--ftpuseport] [--ftpproxy <host>]
[--httpproxy <host>] [--httpport <port>]
[--ftpport <port>] [--provides] [--triggers] [--dump]
[--changelog] [--dbpath <dir>] [targets]
rpm {--verify -V -y} [-afpg] [--root <dir>] [--rcfile <file>]
[--dbpath <dir>] [--nodeps] [--nofiles] [--noscripts]
[--nomd5] [targets]
rpm {--setperms} [-afpg] [target]
rpm {--setugids} [-afpg] [target]
rpm {--freshen -F} file1.rpm ... fileN.rpm
rpm {--erase -e} [--root <dir>] [--noscripts] [--rcfile <file>]
[--dbpath <dir>] [--nodeps] [--allmatches]
[--justdb] [--notriggers] rpackage1 ... packageN
rpm {-b|t}[plciba] [-v] [--short-circuit] [--clean] [--rcfile <file>]
[--sign] [--nobuild] [--timecheck <s>] ]
[--target=platform1[,platform2...]]
[--rmsource] [--rmspec] specfile
rpm {--rmsource} [--rcfile <file>] [-v] specfile
rpm {--rebuild} [--rcfile <file>] [-v] source1.rpm ... sourceN.rpm
rpm {--recompile} [--rcfile <file>] [-v] source1.rpm ... sourceN.rpm
rpm {--resign} [--rcfile <file>] package1 package2 ... packageN
rpm {--addsign} [--rcfile <file>] package1 package2 ... packageN
rpm {--checksig -K} [--nopgp] [--nogpg] [--nomd5] [--rcfile <file>]
package1 ... packageN
rpm {--rebuilddb} [--rcfile <file>] [--dbpath <dir>]
rpm {--querytags}
This and a short view at man rpm tells me, that you can
build/install/delete/create source rpm,
they are even available on my distro (SuSE)...
>
> So my first question is which is the best route to take when installing
> packages? RPM, compile then install the source, or pre-compiled and
> manually install the software?
>
It's your choice...many people are used to install tarballs, my way is:
install a distro,
upgrade all packages that need it (security), compile important stuff like
kernel, the
important servers that should run on this machine, or compile versions that
have features you
need and don't came with your distro: Get the .tar.bz2 data....:-)
Don't forget to test the file with it's however encrypted .sig
You should just try out, what's better for your needs, if you want to live on
the bleeding edge,
tarballs should be the way to go...:-)
>
> Also, RPM keeps track of where everything is installed so it can uninstall
> it later. If I manually install something how can I remove it later? How
> do I figure out what it installed and where it installed it?
Read the Makefile, look for install.
>
> If it matters, I'm running RH7 with a PII processor and using the
> 2.4-prerelease kernel. Btw, I'm not a wizard at Linux yet but am working
> hard to become one.
Sad, but you have to read a lot to become what you call "wizard" and even
then,
always there is something new, but that the thing I like most about
Linux...:-)
Good luck
Michael Heiming
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From: Seth Rothberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Roaring Pengquin a showstopper in kernel 2.2.18
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:37:28 GMT
I've been trying to upgrade kernels from 2.2.14-5.0 to 2.2.18 on a RedHat
6.2 system and have run into 2 problems. One is not a big deal but the
other is a showstopper.
The simple problem first:
2.2.18 does not load my scsi card driver (the aic7xxx) during boot even
though the module is in /lib/modules/2.2.18/scsi and modules.conf has the
line "alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx". It's not a major deal because insmod
aic7xxx works fine. But it would be nice to have it load automatically so I
could avoid the RedHat New Hardware screen everytime I reboot, which is
happening fairly often as I'm dealing with:
The showstopper:
Trying to load the Roaring Penquin pppoe client causes a very impressive
freeze. I have to reset the machine. I'm using the 2.5 version compiled
from the tar ball. Any clues as to what is going here? Are there fixes
available?
Thanks,
Seth
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From: ***[EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Subject: Compile errors
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:52:49 GMT
What could this possibly mean?
ip_masq.c:578: 'ip_masq_hash' undeclared here (not in a function)
ip_masq.c:578: initializer element is not constant
ip_masq.c:578: (near initialization for '__ksymtab_ip_masq_hash.value')
ip_masq.c:579: 'ip_masq_unhash' undeclared here (not in a function)
ip_masq.c:579: initializer element is not constant
ip_masq.c:579: (near initialization for '__ksymtab_ip_masq_unhash.value')
ip_masq.c:518: warning: 'masq_port_lock' defined but not used
Then there are a few errors as make leaves directories. Then everything
stops. Any ideas?
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From: JWR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing and Booting from a Jaz Drive
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:35:58 GMT
Is it possible to install Linux to a Jaz drive and boot from there? I
have an old computer with a Jaz drive already installed, and am running
Windows from the C-DRIVE. If there is any way to do it, I would like to
install Linux on a Jaz cartridge.
I'm not a Linux guru, but several years ago I did successfully set up
Red Hat 5.0 on this same machine, got PPP working and played around
with X, emacs, Elm, WordPerfect, and Netscape Navigator for a while.
This time around I would like to install on and boot from the Jaz drive
is that is possible. What do you think?
Sincerely,
John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing and Booting from a Jaz Drive
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:55:05 GMT
JWR wrote:
>
> Is it possible to install Linux to a Jaz drive and boot from there? I
> have an old computer with a Jaz drive already installed, and am running
> Windows from the C-DRIVE. If there is any way to do it, I would like to
> install Linux on a Jaz cartridge.
>
> I'm not a Linux guru, but several years ago I did successfully set up
> Red Hat 5.0 on this same machine, got PPP working and played around
> with X, emacs, Elm, WordPerfect, and Netscape Navigator for a while.
>
> This time around I would like to install on and boot from the Jaz drive
> is that is possible. What do you think?
Directly from the Jaz-Drive-HOWTO
Installing Linux on a Jaz Cartridge
Although running Linux from a Jaz cartridge is much slower than running
from a harddrive, the Jaz drive makes an excellent ERD (Emergency Repair
Disk). It's also fun to be able to just pop in some new Linux system or
to try Linux on someone else's Jaz-equipped machine.
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Jaz-Drive-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2
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