Linux-Setup Digest #503, Volume #20              Thu, 25 Jan 01 19:13:12 EST

Contents:
  Re: Getting Win2000 On GRUB Menu (BCT)
  Re: Getting Win2000 On GRUB Menu (BCT)
  Re: Getting Win2000 On GRUB Menu (BCT)
  To study the source code ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Display power management on a laptop (Martin Shepherd)
  Re: To study the source code (BCT)
  Question on LILO and recompiling your Kernel ("Collector")
  RH7: network can't restart : ifup not found ??? ("Marcello M. Pavan")
  Re: Question on LILO and recompiling your Kernel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: FTP SERVER not working in RH 7.0 ("ne...")
  Re: RH7: network can't restart : ifup not found ??? ("ne...")
  Re: kernel bloody 2.4!! (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_B=F8g_Hansen?=)
  Re: Getting Win2000 On GRUB Menu (rob)
  Re: Somebody create a How-To on upgrading to Kernel 2.4, please ! (John Hasler)
  Re: Linux on 2nd hard drive..... ("John")
  Re: Making a bootable CD. ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: Can you use "DOS" Extended ASCII in Linux? ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: Question on LILO and recompiling your Kernel (Paul Kimoto)
  Re: Question on LILO and recompiling your Kernel (Paul Kimoto)

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From: BCT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting Win2000 On GRUB Menu
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:02:04 GMT

In article <94q388$3qo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear All:
>
> Complete Linux newbie here. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I
> am forced to use Win2000 for some tasks. So I would like to dual boot
> Win2000 and Linux Mandrake 7.2. Starting fresh, I first installed
> Win2000 on 2GB (the first partition, C:) of a 4GB drive on my laptop.
> Then I installed LM7.2 on the second partition, also of 2GB. The LM
> installer did all the default/recommended setup setting (e.g. Auto
> Allocate /, /swap, and /home and install the Recommended apps., etc.).
> However, when I boot up, and the GRUB comes up I do not see Win2000 as
> an option (some might call this a "Good Thing" ;-)). How do I tell GRUB
> to present Win2000 as an option?
>
> Many thanks in advance, rob
>
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>

Check out http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html.
Good luck!

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From: BCT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting Win2000 On GRUB Menu
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:02:16 GMT

In article <94q388$3qo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear All:
>
> Complete Linux newbie here. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I
> am forced to use Win2000 for some tasks. So I would like to dual boot
> Win2000 and Linux Mandrake 7.2. Starting fresh, I first installed
> Win2000 on 2GB (the first partition, C:) of a 4GB drive on my laptop.
> Then I installed LM7.2 on the second partition, also of 2GB. The LM
> installer did all the default/recommended setup setting (e.g. Auto
> Allocate /, /swap, and /home and install the Recommended apps., etc.).
> However, when I boot up, and the GRUB comes up I do not see Win2000 as
> an option (some might call this a "Good Thing" ;-)). How do I tell GRUB
> to present Win2000 as an option?
>
> Many thanks in advance, rob
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
>

Check out http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html.
Good luck!

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From: BCT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting Win2000 On GRUB Menu
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:19:30 GMT

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: To study the source code
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:23:01 GMT

Hai,
    I want to learn the internal details of
Linux.ie I want to learn how the Kernel works and
the C source code.
I dont know where to start.
Can you please help me.


Bye
  Dheeraj


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From: Martin Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Display power management on a laptop
Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:40:46 -0800

Martin Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Having managed to get the gnome screensaver to switch off my screen
> after a few minutes of activity, I found myself without any way to
> switch it back on without power cycling the whole laptop. I had hoped
> that hitting keyboard keys would do the trick, since it was supposedly
> only the screen that was off, not the keyboard/CPU.

The secret turns out to be to avoid using the gnome control center to
turn on dpms, and instead directly use the "xset dpms" command.

 xset dpms 240 0 0

The above command tells the X server to put the display into standby
mode after 240 seconds (4 minutes), but not attempt to either suspend
it or turn it off, the latter being the option that was previously
putting the laptop into an unrecoverable state. On the Viao laptop,
the standby mode actually appears to turn off the backlight and the
video, so the standby option is fortunately the only option that I
need. This seems to work without any other work under Mandrake, but to
get it working under RedHat 7.0, you first have to enable DPMS by
editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and adding:

 Option "DPMS"

in the monitor configuration, then restart the X server. Thanks to the
person who posted this a few days ago on this group.

Martin Shepherd  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: BCT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To study the source code
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:41:49 GMT

In article <94q5f8$64u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hai,
>     I want to learn the internal details of
> Linux.ie I want to learn how the Kernel works and
> the C source code.
> I dont know where to start.
> Can you please help me.
>
> Bye
>   Dheeraj
>
> Sent via Deja.com
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>

_Understanding the LINUX Kernel: From I/O Ports to Process Management_
by Daniel Pierre Bovet, Marco Cesati
O'Reilly and Associates
ISBN: 0596000022

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From: "Collector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Question on LILO and recompiling your Kernel
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:01:29 -0600

Howdy,

    I had a couple questions. First of all, I was trying to recompile my
kernel last night. I went through all of the steps, like 'make dep', 'make
clean', etc. and got a new bzImage that I copied into my /boot directory as
zipkern. I then went into my lilo.conf file and added a new image section,
and I added the following:

image = /boot/zipkern
root = /dev/hda3
label = LinTest

After this I typed "lilo" at the command prompt and it said it added the new
entry. Great. So I reboot, and when I get to the LILO prompt, it doesn't
display my new image label, just the same old stuff as usual. I logged in as
normal and checked the lilo.conf file. It still had my changes in it. Did I
skip a step or something in adding the lilo information? My machine is
Dual-Booting Windows 2k, and the Windows bootloader is the first one that
pops up when I turn my machine on; from there I choose my linux OS and THEN
I get LILO. Does this have something to do with it? Because LILO is not the
primary booting utility? Why is it telling me it added the new information
from the config file when its not reflecting it at bootup?

    My second question - when recompiling my kernel, it doesn't matter WHERE
I compile from does it? As long as I put the resulting image in the /boot
directory and make sure I point to it in the boot config file right? After I
couldn't get LILO working last night, I backed up one of my working kernels,
and renamed the new one (zipkern) to the name of the default one (vmlinuz).
I rebooted, and as soon as it started loading linux it told me that it ran
out of system resources and halted the system. OOPS! Now, does this mean
that my new kernel is just bad, or is it because I cheated and tried
renaming the default one? Am I not allowed to do that? ANY information on
either of these problems would be appreciated. Thanks!

    For reference, my machine is a P2 450 w/ 128 MB of RAM. It dual-boots
between Win2k and SuSE 6.4. The windows booting utility is the first one to
come up at bootup (if that makes any difference).

Collector



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From: "Marcello M. Pavan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: RH7: network can't restart : ifup not found ???
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:17:17 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Greetings 

Just finished doing a pristine install of RH7.0.
[dual Celeron 366a on (gasp) Bp6 MB, 256MB RAM, SCSI, IDE disks,
SCSI CDROM, 2 SCSI DLT tape drives, 3com 3c900 ethernet]

anyhow, after editing the file  /etc/sysctl.conf to add some
safety features (e.g. tcp_syncookies), I tried restarting the network via
                /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart

and got the following

>/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
Shutting down interface eth0:                              [  OK  ]
Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding:                          [  OK  ]
Setting network parameters:                                [  OK  ]
Bringing up interface lo:  ./ifup: ./ifup: No such file or directory
                                                           [FAILED]
Bringing up interface eth0:  ./ifup: ./ifup: No such file or directory
                                                           [FAILED]


The very WEIRD thing is, ifup EXISTS with correct permissions

>ls -lG /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/
total 37
-rw-r--r--    1 root           44 Jan 25 13:35 ifcfg-eth0
-rw-r--r--    1 root          340 Jan 25 12:22 ifcfg-eth0~
-rw-r--r--    1 root          254 Sep 20  1999 ifcfg-lo
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root           12 Jan 24 15:58 ifdown -> /sbin/ifdown
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root          735 Apr  4  2000 ifdown-post
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root          819 Aug 18 14:38 ifdown-ppp
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root          937 Sep  8  1999 ifdown-sl
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root           10 Jan 24 15:58 ifup -> /sbin/ifup
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root        13851 Jun  1  2000 ifup-aliases
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         1066 Jan 13  2000 ifup-ipx
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root          724 Jul  7  1998 ifup-plip
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         2410 Apr 12  2000 ifup-post
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         3140 Aug 23 19:40 ifup-ppp
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root          535 Aug  6 22:21 ifup-routes
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         1647 Aug 25  1999 ifup-sl
-rw-r--r--    1 root         2147 Aug  7 11:40 network-functions

>ls -lG /sbin/if*
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         2966 Jul 25  2000 /sbin/ifcfg
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root        47644 Jul 12  2000 /sbin/ifconfig
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         1363 Aug 15 13:01 /sbin/ifdown
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root        12336 Oct 10 13:18 /sbin/ifenslave
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         3725 Aug  3 07:21 /sbin/ifup

>echo $PATH
/root/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin



but for some crazy reason the network script does >>not<< find it.
It finds   ifdown   OK though.????


I checked that in the network script file that it chages to the correct
directory.  
** if I put in  /sbin/ifup directly into the script, it then complains
that other files  networf-functions, etc  cannot be found, though
they are clearly there.


I am at my wits end.  if you have any suggestions, they would be most
appreciated.


with best regards, Marcello Pavan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Question on LILO and recompiling your Kernel
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:44:10 GMT

In article <94q7tg$qq4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "Collector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Howdy,
>
>     I had a couple questions. First of all, I was trying to recompile
my
> kernel last night. I went through all of the steps, like 'make dep',
'make
> clean', etc. and got a new bzImage that I copied into my /boot
directory as
> zipkern. I then went into my lilo.conf file and added a new image
section,
> and I added the following:
>
> image = /boot/zipkern
> root = /dev/hda3
> label = LinTest
>
> After this I typed "lilo" at the command prompt and it said it added
the new
> entry. Great. So I reboot, and when I get to the LILO prompt, it
doesn't
> display my new image label, just the same old stuff as usual. I logged
in as
> normal and checked the lilo.conf file. It still had my changes in it.
Did I
> skip a step or something in adding the lilo information? My machine is
> Dual-Booting Windows 2k, and the Windows bootloader is the first one
that
> pops up when I turn my machine on; from there I choose my linux OS and
THEN
> I get LILO. Does this have something to do with it? Because LILO is
not the
> primary booting utility? Why is it telling me it added the new
information
> from the config file when its not reflecting it at bootup?
>
>     My second question - when recompiling my kernel, it doesn't matter
WHERE
> I compile from does it? As long as I put the resulting image in the
/boot
> directory and make sure I point to it in the boot config file right?
After I
> couldn't get LILO working last night, I backed up one of my working
kernels,
> and renamed the new one (zipkern) to the name of the default one
(vmlinuz).
> I rebooted, and as soon as it started loading linux it told me that it
ran
> out of system resources and halted the system. OOPS! Now, does this
mean
> that my new kernel is just bad, or is it because I cheated and tried
> renaming the default one? Am I not allowed to do that? ANY information
on
> either of these problems would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
>     For reference, my machine is a P2 450 w/ 128 MB of RAM. It
dual-boots
> between Win2k and SuSE 6.4. The windows booting utility is the first
one to
> come up at bootup (if that makes any difference).
>
> Collector
>
>

I'm not sure but your problems could be caused by the subject of your
second question. When you recomplie the kernal you need to be in
/usr/src/linux more specifically you ned to be in the linux directory
created when the tar file is unpacked. When you get the tar.gz file that
contains the new kernal be sure to unpack it in /usr/src after you have
removed the previous linux directory from /usr/src. After you unpack the
file go into the linux directory and the recompile the kernal.

Paul
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTP SERVER not working in RH 7.0
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:57:22 GMT

On Jan 25, 2001 at 14:30, Eric Corndorf eloquently wrote:

>Hey everybody.  Just installed RH 7.0 and all is well for the most part.
>The only thing that really didn't start working is the ftp server...I'm not
>able to ftp into my machine.  As I understand it, the name of the service
>is tftp.  When I type "service --status-all" I don't see the tftp service
>on the list.  I think thats it's not starting...but I'm not sure because I
>cant compair my machine to a working RH 7.0 machine.  Can someone who has
>RH 7.0 running tell me if the above command shows the tftp service?  If it
>does, can SOMEBODY tell me why mine is NOT working?  Thanks, please cc a
>copy of your reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thnaks
What ftp server did you install? You should at least make
sure you install the updated version of wu-ftp.  Next check
your /etc/xinetd.d directory. You should have a wu-ftp entry
the contents of which should be something like:

# default: on
# description: The wu-ftpd FTP server serves FTP connections. It uses
#       normal, unencrypted usernames and passwords for authentication.
service ftp
{
        socket_type             = stream
        wait                    = no
        user                    = root
        server                  = /usr/sbin/in.ftpd
        server_args             = -l -a
        log_on_success          += DURATION USERID
        log_on_failure          += USERID
        nice                    = 10
}


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH7: network can't restart : ifup not found ???
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:08:44 GMT

On Jan 25, 2001 at 14:17, Marcello M. Pavan eloquently wrote:

>Greetings
>
>Just finished doing a pristine install of RH7.0.
>[dual Celeron 366a on (gasp) Bp6 MB, 256MB RAM, SCSI, IDE disks,
>SCSI CDROM, 2 SCSI DLT tape drives, 3com 3c900 ethernet]
>
>anyhow, after editing the file  /etc/sysctl.conf to add some
>safety features (e.g. tcp_syncookies), I tried restarting the network via
>               /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
>
>and got the following
>
>>/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
>Shutting down interface eth0:                              [  OK  ]
>Disabling IPv4 packet forwarding:                          [  OK  ]
>Setting network parameters:                                [  OK  ]
>Bringing up interface lo:  ./ifup: ./ifup: No such file or directory
>                                                           [FAILED]
>Bringing up interface eth0:  ./ifup: ./ifup: No such file or directory
>
>The very WEIRD thing is, ifup EXISTS with correct permissions
[...]
>>ls -lG /sbin/if*
>-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         2966 Jul 25  2000 /sbin/ifcfg
>-rwxr-xr-x    1 root        47644 Jul 12  2000 /sbin/ifconfig
>-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         1363 Aug 15 13:01 /sbin/ifdown
>-rwxr-xr-x    1 root        12336 Oct 10 13:18 /sbin/ifenslave
>-rwxr-xr-x    1 root         3725 Aug  3 07:21 /sbin/ifup
Looking at the failed line, U'll see that the script is setup to
be called from the /sbin directory ( the ./ifup bit). Therefore
you need to called /etc/rc.d/init.d/network script from the
/sbin directory or else hardcode all the directories in the
script.

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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_B=F8g_Hansen?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel bloody 2.4!!
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:09:25 +0100

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Steve Martin wrote:

> Adam Short wrote:
>
> > I have posted this to other newsgroups to no effect. I've been told I need
> > the kgcc package,
>
> Nope, not necessary. I compiled 2.4 on my RH6.2 system with gcc 2.91.66
> with no problems.

I did too. And got a kernel oops in less than 24 hours :-(

Hurried to recompile with 2.95.2 and haven't got problems for the last 2
weeks.

Rasmus B�g Hansen


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From: rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting Win2000 On GRUB Menu
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:59:52 GMT

In article <94q485$4u9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  BCT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <94q388$3qo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear All:
> >
> > Complete Linux newbie here. Due to circumstances beyond my control,
I
> > am forced to use Win2000 for some tasks. So I would like to dual
boot
> > Win2000 and Linux Mandrake 7.2. Starting fresh, I first installed
> > Win2000 on 2GB (the first partition, C:) of a 4GB drive on my
laptop.
> > Then I installed LM7.2 on the second partition, also of 2GB. The LM
> > installer did all the default/recommended setup setting (e.g. Auto
> > Allocate /, /swap, and /home and install the Recommended apps.,
etc.).
> > However, when I boot up, and the GRUB comes up I do not see Win2000
as
> > an option (some might call this a "Good Thing" ;-)). How do I tell
GRUB
> > to present Win2000 as an option?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance, rob
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com
> > http://www.deja.com/
> >
>
> Check out http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html.
> Good luck!

BCT:

Thanks so much!

Cheers, rob


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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Somebody create a How-To on upgrading to Kernel 2.4, please !
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:02:40 GMT

Arctic Storm writes:
> Ironically, although you may know slightly more about Linux than I do, I
> seem to have greater insight and better understanding of the spirit of
> Linux.

Where should we look for your contributions to free software?

> I will represent the Linux community and tell you that *information* and
> *knowledge* regarding Linux is *free*, and will remain so with or without the
> upgrade.

That's free as in 'free speech', not as in 'free beer'.

> It's reasonable to pay & charge for time/service for setup of a computer
> system.

It's reasonable to pay for any service someone provides to you.  Including
helping you upgrade your kernel.  The fact that people are willing to help
you for free sometimes does not give you the right to demand that they do
so whenever you want them to.

> However, not for the information & knowledge.  Sharing of knowledeg is
> free and is encouraged in Linux.

All the information you need to compile your kernel is right there in the
source tree.  If you need an additional document to help you understand it,
hire an expert to write the document for you[1].  You can then release the
document under a free license: that can be your contribution to free
software.

[1] I am not being sarcastic, either.  If you don't understand, go to
    www.gnu.org and read some philosophy.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin

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From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on 2nd hard drive.....
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:26:11 GMT

You wouldn't know where  I can find step-by-step info on this ?????
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >My desktop is WinME on a 30g hd....I would like to install a distribution
of
> >Linux on a 4g hd...any suggestions would be appreciated....I do not want
it
> >to adversely affect my WinMe system.....    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >P.s.  I am also installing a small linux on a 486 and Peanut Linux and
> >Slackware 3.2 were suggested....opinions?
> >
> >
> If you're installing linux on a second hard drive, you shouldn't have
> any problem with linux upsetting windows.  If you are really cautious,
> you can always physically disconnect the windows drive before
> installing linux on your other drive.  (RH's 5.1 distribution had an
> option during server installation that erased ALL hard drives to
> prepare for linux installation.  Of course, you had to select it, but
> accidents can happen.)  Once you have linux installed on its separate
> disk, put the LILO bootloader on the linux disk so that you can dual
> boot between linux and windows without making any physical changes to
> your windows disk.  Then, you're ready to go.
>
> Rick
>



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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Making a bootable CD.
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:45:37 GMT

Eric en Jolanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Since much has happened lately, I think it may be easy to now make a
>> bootable CD, which conatins a relatively full Linux installation
>> ( not with X, but most basic command line tools etc. ) so that one can
>> make a very powerful recovery CD which does not limit one to the
>> problems of eing stuck using "cut down" utilities?

> You can even download an image of such a rescue CD.
> No hassle of figuring out what you need to do.

> Search freshmeat for it.

You can even make such a "full" installation in a few megabytes.
With X it takes about 16MB, without, about 8MB. (hint, the machine from
which I am writing this has a 70MB disk ... and it's running X, has
lots of compilers, and so on ...).

If you want to get lean and mean, you can cut down to about 3MB
and get the whole thing on a floppy. Here's some du output for an 8MB
install. You could lose another half meg just by looking at the
listing.

1434    ./bin
9       ./boot
1       ./cdrom
1       ./dev/pts
1       ./dev/inet
21      ./dev
3       ./etc/Net
9       ./etc/ae
4       ./etc/alternatives
2       ./etc/apm/resume.d
2       ./etc/apm/suspend.d
3       ./etc/apm/event.d
8       ./etc/apm
9       ./etc/autoconf
13      ./etc/bind
5       ./etc/console-tools
4       ./etc/cron.d
3       ./etc/default
1       ./etc/deliver
6       ./etc/emacs/site-start.d
8       ./etc/emacs
6       ./etc/emacs20/site-start.d
7       ./etc/emacs20
181     ./etc/init.d
3       ./etc/ipip
95      ./etc/joe
2       ./etc/kbd
37      ./etc/mail
36      ./etc/mc
7       ./etc/modutils/arch
16      ./etc/modutils
5       ./etc/network
10      ./etc/pam.d
1       ./etc/raid
11      ./etc/rc.boot
2       ./etc/rc0.d
2       ./etc/rc1.d
2       ./etc/rc2.d
2       ./etc/rc3.d
2       ./etc/rc4.d
2       ./etc/rc5.d
2       ./etc/rc6.d
2       ./etc/rcS.d
14      ./etc/security
1       ./etc/site-start.d
4       ./etc/ssh
3       ./etc/terminfo/a
2       ./etc/terminfo/d
3       ./etc/terminfo/l
5       ./etc/terminfo/r
6       ./etc/terminfo/s
7       ./etc/terminfo/v
6       ./etc/terminfo/x
33      ./etc/terminfo
26      ./etc/vga
13      ./etc/wu-ftpd
735     ./etc
1       ./floppy
1       ./home
1       ./initrd
1       ./lib/modules
1       ./lib/security
3922    ./lib
1       ./lost+found
1       ./mnt
1       ./proc
1       ./root
1038    ./sbin
1       ./tmp
1       ./usr
1       ./var
1       ./account
7172    .





Peter

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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can you use "DOS" Extended ASCII in Linux?
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:36:38 +0100

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What I need is the 7-bit ASCII with the extended ascii that is
> available in dos, etc.  The main thing I need is the borders and bars
> that are 179-215 in the DOS extended ASCII.  Right now when I print chr
> (205) I get "GREEK CAPITAL LETTER NU".  I'd rather do this OS
> conversion with as little changes to our proprietary code as possible.

> Is there any way I can use the old extended ascii in linux?  If there
> is, do I need to do it with setlocal or setfont.  And what font do I
> need to set it to.

I believe you're talking about the old "IBM" font. A copy of it used to
come with dosemu or rxvt - I don't recall which.

Peter

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Question on LILO and recompiling your Kernel
Date: 25 Jan 2001 18:48:34 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <94qa7n$ann$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Have you noticed that your newsreader rewraps quoted text in a very lame
manner?

>In article <94q7tg$qq4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  "Collector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>     My second question - when recompiling my kernel, it doesn't matter
>WHERE
>> I compile from does it? As long as I put the resulting image in the
>/boot
>> directory and make sure I point to it in the boot config file right?

> I'm not sure but your problems could be caused by the subject of your
> second question. When you recomplie the kernal you need to be in
> /usr/src/linux more specifically you ned to be in the linux directory
> created when the tar file is unpacked. When you get the tar.gz file that
> contains the new kernal be sure to unpack it in /usr/src after you have
> removed the previous linux directory from /usr/src. After you unpack the
> file go into the linux directory and the recompile the kernal.

No, it doesn't have to be in /usr/src.  In fact, the 2.4.* README exhorts:

: - If you install the full sources, put the kernel tarball in a
:   directory where you have permissions (eg. your home directory) and
:   unpack it:
:
:                gzip -cd linux-2.4.XX.tar.gz | tar xvf -
:
:   Replace "XX" with the version number of the latest kernel.
:
:   Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! This area has a (usually
:   incomplete) set of kernel headers that are used by the library header
:   files.  They should match the library, and not get messed up by
:   whatever the kernel-du-jour happens to be.

(This library-header-file business applies only if /usr/include/{linux,asm}
are symbolic links into the /usr/src/linux tree.  Some distributions--e.g.,
Debian--don't use the symbolic-link approach, and thus can ignore the
README's advice.)

> Support provided by Linuxgruven, Inc.
> www.linuxgruven.com
> 314-727-0918

Hmm.

-- 
Paul Kimoto
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hyperlinks, or the like shown here have been added without my consent,
and may be a violation of international copyright law.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Question on LILO and recompiling your Kernel
Date: 25 Jan 2001 18:53:20 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <94q7tg$qq4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Collector wrote:
>          I backed up one of my working kernels,
> and renamed the new one (zipkern) to the name of the default one (vmlinuz).
> I rebooted, and as soon as it started loading linux it told me that it ran
> out of system resources and halted the system. OOPS! Now, does this mean
> that my new kernel is just bad, or is it because I cheated and tried
> renaming the default one? Am I not allowed to do that?

Did you not (re)run lilo?

When you run the lilo program, it figures out physically where (on the disk)
the bootable kernels live, and writes that information to the boot record.
When you boot up, the code in the boot record knows only about physical
locations on the disk, not about the filesystem.  (I have heard that the
GRUB loader is different, though.)

If you didn't run lilo, then the boot code is pointing at a place on the
disk that _used_ to be the bootable kernel.  If that place has been
overwritten, then you are trying to boot garbage.

-- 
Paul Kimoto
This message was originally posted on Usenet in plain text.  Any images, 
hyperlinks, or the like shown here have been added without my consent,
and may be a violation of international copyright law.

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