Linux-Setup Digest #522, Volume #20 Sun, 28 Jan 01 16:13:19 EST
Contents:
Re: rpm 4 under Caldera? (Paul Lew)
Re: Installation Help (E J)
Re: COL 2.4 boots from HDD but can no longer find it once it does Hardware detection
(Black Eagle)
Re: Boot linux from 2nd hard drive ("Marvin (Georg Ortmanns)")
Re: Problems to compile a new kernel ("Marvin (Georg Ortmanns)")
Re: Dual Boot Windows/Linus (Peter Kelly)
Re: Help supported NIC cards don't work on Red Hat 7.0 (Peter Kelly)
Re: What is dnetc?? (Daniel Robinson)
ATAPI Not ready? failed "Read CD/Dvd Capacity"? (Ernest Siu)
hosts setup for private LAN with dynamic IP from ISP (Neuralmancer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera
Subject: Re: rpm 4 under Caldera?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:39:01 GMT
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:55:53 -0500, L. Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Robert Morelli wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "L. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Robert Morelli wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> "Michael West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > What are you hoping the documentation will tell you?
>> >>
>> >> For one thing, I would hope it would tell me exactly the sort of
>> >> things that you and the other posters are telling me. In particular,
>> >> some of the problems you say some people have had sound serious to me.
>> >
>> > Which is exactly why you don't play with experimental versions of
>> > software unless you know what you're doing.
>>
>> The reason I posted here was to find out if in fact rpm 4 is
>> experimental or prone to problems. If you read my original post, you'll
>> see that I was unable to find any documentation for rpm 4 at all on the
>> www.rpm.org site -- not a word. All of the documentation there
>> is years old. Nevertheless, the link to rpm 4.0 is placed prominently
>> on the home page, labeled as the ``current latest release.'' At the
>> same time, the site claims, ``This site aims to bring you the latest and
>> most up to date information on the RPM software packaging tool
>> which is taking the world by storm.'' I consider this a little
>> irresponsible.
>>
>> I'd really like to encourage the Linux community to take this sort of
>> thing more seriously. In my opinion, documentation is as important
>> as code. If you release a new version of something, you have to say,
>> at the very least, ``This release fixes this and that ...'' or ``This release
>> is experimental,'' or ``This release introduces such and such feature ...''
>> I think it's pretty dangerous and misleading that www.rpm.org has an
>> experimental version of rpm listed as the ``current latest release''.
>>
>> Anyway, it's good at least to have helpful folks the newsgroups.
>
>Oh, i agree with you 100%.
>The problem with RPM project is its history. ALthough RedHat loves to
>have its name in the spotlight, and RPM certainly does that for it, its
>not until very recently (in the past year or so) that Redhat made *any*
>significant development contributions to rpm. Up until then rpm was
>nothing more than marketing for Redhat, while others who had no
>relationship to RedHat the company, did the bulk of the development
>work. Then all of a sudden, Redhat to get actively involved in the
>development of rpm again, and started to play little games with the
>other developers. In addition, they started to add 'features' to rpm
>which in effect broke alot of backwards compatibility, and then used
>their customer base as the guinea pigs via their distro releases.
>RedHat-7.0 is a perfect example, where they dumped rpm-4.0 out to the
>world, effectively changing the rules and forcing people to either jump
>through hoops to allow them to use the newest rpm packages, or to simply
>'use RedHat-7.0'. I don't think i need to spell out which company's
>tactics this mirrors.
>
>The bottom line here is that RPMs are a nice idea, however you should
>make an effort to be profficient with other means of getting new
>software on your linux system, that way you aren't dependent on what
>RedHat does.
>
However, the install Changes for the 2.4.0 kernel say that a new mkinitrd
"may be required" and provides a site to obtain the "latest" mkinitrd;
but, the mkinitrd is in rpm 4 format and no tarball is to be seen as the
site is redhat's rawhide area.
It is such instances like that that make people scrambling for rpm 4 when
tarballs are not available for the required upgrade. Of course, this means
that the software authors should also make the tarballs available..:-).
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installation Help
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:36:43 GMT
edit your /etc/conf.modules or /etc/modules.conf to include the following
during your earlier attempts to install your network card find out what
network driver module it tried to install.
# smc_etherez_driver is the driver module for your network card.
alias eth0 smc_etherez_driver
options smc_etherez_driver io=0x280 irq=10
After putting the modification to your /etc/modules.conf,
# reboot.
After rebooting,
$ dmeg # look for the following line:
eth0: SMC_ETHEREZ_DRIVER found at 0x280, using IRQ 10.
subuno wrote:
> If anybody could help me with a installation problem I would appriciate
> it. I installed Mandrake 7.1 and then tried to set it up to run with my
> cable modem. With the carrier I'm with I should just have to make sure
> the card is recognied and then set up DHCP(according to the HOWTO). I
> figured out that my card wasn't being recognized and then tried to
> install the module with no luck. I checked /proc/intterupts and it says
> that there is some kind of usb device their. On my Winoze system the
> modem was IRQ 10 and was at 0x280. I tried doing a reinstall in expert
> mode and when I had it probe for pci devices it didn't find my card even
> when I picked the driver to look with. My card is an SMC EtherEZ and is
> supposed to work with the smc-ultra driver. I tried all the drivers
> offered for the SMC cards and it didn't recognize the card with any of
> them. Can someone please offer advice on how to proceed from here. Is
> anyone currently running 7.1 with a cable modem.
>
> Thanks,
> sub
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Eagle)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera
Subject: Re: COL 2.4 boots from HDD but can no longer find it once it does Hardware
detection
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:04:08 GMT
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:39:02 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geert
Anthonis) wrote:
>I am absolutely new to Linux. and where I am I do not have access to
>people that can help me out in English (or dutch or even French for
>that matter). So here goes, please stay with me it is quite long.
>
>I bought 3 different Linux distributions: Red Hat 7.0 (standard),
>Caldera Openlinux eDesktop 2.4, Corel Linux (Version ?)
>Plus Red Hat 6.2 came with a book (O'Reilly's Red Hat one)
>Plus Mandrake 7.2 and Corel Linux 2.0 From a magazine.
I can only help with Caldera. RH 7.0 is said to be broken (used
development instead of stable versions of some utilities). Anything
from a magazine is a VERY "Lite" version, meaning it is cut down so
much that it is pretty much a version to try and see if you want to
buy a full version.
>I was only able to install Red Hat 7.0 once and that literally crashed
>my brand new Qauntum Fireball 20.5 GB HDD. It is in for repair.
I find it hard to believe that a software program crashed a hard drive
(not saying it's impossible, just find it hard to believe). It may be
that it exercised a failing hard drive and it gave up the ghost (I
know - however "new" does not mean "fault free").
>My machine is a Gigabyte motherboard (version?) (1998)
>Pentium MMX-166MHz
>2 (yes I bought a third one) Quantum 20.5 GB HDD.Both on IDE1
>connected with a UDMA33 cable one as master the other as slave.
>A SiS 6326 Video card
>64 MB RAM
>And a 24x Philips CR-ROM (on IDE2 as secondary master, at least that
>is the currect set up, as I have tried everything. )
>
>I also run Windows 98 ME on the 1st HDD on the first 7 GB (1 primary
>partion (active) and one extended partion with two logical drives (all
>formatted FAT32)
>
>None of the above distributions have installed on my machine. They all
>stop at one or other step in the process but never the same place
>twice and never for the same reason except COL2.4.
What error do you get when 2.4 dies? That will tell us a lot.
>It does no matter where I start the installation (from floppy, under
>windows, from CD-ROM) or whether I use standard, text or cautious
>install. Once it starts doing the hardware detection it fails to find
>the very CD-ROM it started the installation from.
This sounds like a problem we've recently had. Check the archives for
this newsgroup and see if you can find it. I believe it's only been
in the last two or three months.
>Caldera Support told me to give the following boot parameters "install
>hd*=cdrom". I have tried every letter from the alphabet but to no
>avail.
With your setup, it should be (I believe), "install hdc=cdrom".
>I even removed the bootable Windows drive and installed from the
>CD-ROM to a blank unpartitioned, unformatted drive. same problem.
Have you checked to see if the CD-ROM is supported?
>BTW. Corel from the box does have problems with the video (I can not
>read the screen (all text is black and the mouse is one huge block.
That's a common problem when the "autoprobe" reports the wrong
settings. This has been dealt with during the last month (and is,
frequently). Look in Step-by-Step for some help.
>Mandrake has problems with my memory (at least in text mode that is
>what I get as reason that the installation is stopped.) It can not
>find all of it it claims (Descrepency problem they call it)
>
>Red Hat from the book always hangs while formatting the Swap drive
>Also no matter where I put it. plus the installation program does not
>seem to find the second HDD. It only shows me the first HDD when it
>comes time to partion the drive(s).
The Swap partition (NOT drive) isn't formatted -- or shouldn't be.
>And Corel from the magazine claims it can not build a valid
>filesystem.
I can believe that from a magazine version.
>I heard a lot about Linux But after a whole month of trying, reading
>every single HOWTO and FAQ. I do not even have it installed. I am
>more than a little frustrated. Bill is looking awful good right now.
Stick with one distribution and look for answers on the appropriate
newsgroup.
>SUGGESTION on how to get at least one of the distributions installed,
>especially the Caldera or Madrake one would be greatly appreciated.
Given. Again, stick with one. Mandrake tends to be a bit more
"cutting edge." Caldera won't drink any wine before it's time. Oops.
wrong slogan. Caldera won't release anything that is not as stable as
they can get, so they're a little later than other releases on
updates, but you don't get headaches with releases rushed to market.
Black Eagle
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From: "Marvin (Georg Ortmanns)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Boot linux from 2nd hard drive
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:36:34 +0100
Bill Stockwell wrote:
> I have a new system with Win 2K pre-installed.
>
> On my earlier system I was running RH 6.0 on a 2nd hard drive.
>
> I removed that and installed the drive in my new system. How do
>
> I setup LILO on my master boot record to boot linux on /hdb ?
Edit /etc/lilo.conf to look like this
# Start LILO global Section
boot=/dev/hda # boot from MBR disk 1 (drive C)
#compact # faster, but won't work on all systems.
vga=normal
read-only
prompt
timeout=100
# End LILO global Section
#
image = /boot/bvmlinux
root = /dev/hdb1
label = linux
# boot linux from 1st partion drive 2 (D)
#
other = /dev/hda1
label = Win
table = /dev/hda
# load Windows (NT) from 1st partion drive 1 (C)
Run lilo to install the new lilo.conf. This works fine for WinNT and Win9x. To
start linux you can try to boot from a floppy and enter at LILO-prompt
LILO: linux root=/dev/hdb1
to start your installed linux on /dev/hdb1
--
Regards
Georg Ortmanns (Marvin) eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Marvin (Georg Ortmanns)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems to compile a new kernel
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:47:00 +0100
Rolf Huebscher wrote:
> I tried to compile a new kernel on red hat 7.0
> But i receive the follwing Error.
> Does somebody know what is wrong?
> Thx for any help.
>
> _____________________________________________________________________-
> from ksyms.c:14:
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modules/i386_ksyms.ver:6:18: warning:
> "cpu_data" redefined
> /usr/src/linux/include/asm/processor.h:96:1: warning: this is the
> location of the previous definition
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modules/i386_ksyms.ver:28:22: warning:
> "smp_num_cpus" redefined
<-- snip -->
>
> make[2]: *** [ksyms.o] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.16/kernel'
> make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.16/kernel'
> make: *** [_dir_kernel] Error 2
Looks like you have forgotten to run make dep before compiling the kernel.
--
Regards
Georg Ortmanns (Marvin) eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Peter Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dual Boot Windows/Linus
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:20:58 GMT
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:23:59 +0100, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have Windows 98 on my first hard drive.
>> A friend installed Corel Linux on my second.
>> I had a Corel banner that let me choose windows or linux.
>> Then I had to reformat my windows drive and didn't save the config settings
>> that gave me the menu.
>> Now I don't get the menu, of course, and I don't know how to get to my
>> second hard drive to get to linux (I saved something there before the
>> reformat of drive 1.
>> How do I get to my linux drive from the startup.
>> Do I have to install something into windows from my Corel linux boot cd?
>> sorry for my stupidness it just seems like everyone in these newgroups is
>> way beyond this!
You could also try the Partition Magic route. With PM, you get Boot
Magic. It's invaluable for a computer that has dual OSs, and you
don't need to be proficient in linux to get everything to work right.
That way, when Windows screws up and you have to overwrite the MBR,
you just run Boot Magic again to get everything back to where it was.
Partition Magic is also pretty damn useful for a dual-OS system. Or
simply needed to add another logical drive (e.g., a dedicated data
drive) to a Windows system without losing data.
This is the voice of experience.
Peter
>
>
>Use the bootdisc you made during the installation.
>
>But then again, you probably didn't make one.
>Not so clever.
>
>Try the installation disc. There's probably a bootdisc image.
>Use rawrite to write the image to a floppy.
>rawrite is probably also on the CD.
>
>Eric
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From: Peter Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help supported NIC cards don't work on Red Hat 7.0
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:56:49 GMT
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:37:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Thanks for the help David. I did what you said and everything checks
>out ok. BUT, I'm still not getting the eth0 line in my dmesg, which
>AFAIK is a clear sign that the network card recognized... I tried
>pinging myself and it just goes on forever which I thought was a good
>thing, but maybe not. WHat, if any, is the definitive sign that a
>network card has been recognized?
>
>Thanks
>
I could be completely off-base with this.
When I built my linux box, I picked a couple Linksys NE100-TX NICs. I
had the same card in my windows box, and linux never had a problem
with it.
The hardware of the NIC apparently upgraded in the meantime, and RH
6.2 didn't recognize the card. In fact, I needed a newer tulip driver
to get the card recognized. This forced an upgrade to kernel 2.4.
What I'm saying is... look at the 3Com website VERY closely. When I
looked at th Linksys site, it wasn't obvious at all that I needed a
newer driver (which didn't work with the 2.2 kernel at the time).
If all else fails, try kernel 2.4. The worst thing that SHOULD happen
is you are right where you are today.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: What is dnetc??
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:01:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20 Jan 2001 22:12:39 +0000, Nix <$}xinix{[email protected]>
wrote:
>Nope, this has nothing to do with real-timeness. Even though Linux is
>not a real-time OS (i.e. applications cannot ask for and receive strong
>guarantees of time-to-execute-in), it *could* implement a new scheduling
>class (called, when this has come up on linux-kernel, `SCHED_IDLE')
>which received time only when nothing else did.
I stand corrected.
The only point I was trying to make was that even if a process has a
nice of 19 it will affect other processes a bit.
Sorry for bringing RT into it :-)
Daniel
===============================================
"He who breaks a thing to find out what it is,
has left the path of wisdom" - Gandalf
Web page : http://student.ulb.ac.be/~drobinso
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From: Ernest Siu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ATAPI Not ready? failed "Read CD/Dvd Capacity"?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:00:08 GMT
Hi,
Can someone tell me what exactly does this mean? My harddrive light is
on for every 2 seconds.... for the following log message:
Ernest
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: ATAPI device hdd:
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: Error: Not ready -- (Sense key=0x02)
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: (reserved error code) -- (asc=0x3a,
ascq=0x01)
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: The failed "Read Cd/Dvd Capacity"
packet command was:
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: "25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
"
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: ATAPI device hdd:
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: Error: Not ready -- (Sense key=0x02)
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: (reserved error code) -- (asc=0x3a,
ascq=0x01)
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: The failed "Prevent/Allow Medium
Removal" packet command was:
Jan 27 15:38:06 localhost kernel: "1e 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
"
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Subject: hosts setup for private LAN with dynamic IP from ISP
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neuralmancer)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:09:18 GMT
Am I correctly doing this, in the hosts file of the linuxbox that I use as
an gateway/router to the Internet, I have the hosts entry for the private
side of my LAN setup as:
192.168.1.254 LINUXBOX.<madeup net name>.net LINUXBOX
I receive an IP address from earthlink on bootup using PPPOE. Everything
appears to work OK. I can send mail to anywhere from LINUXBOX using
sendmail, see the web, and so on.
Should there be a reference to earthlink.net in the hosts file, or anywhere
else for that matter?
Lee
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