Linux-Setup Digest #758, Volume #20 Mon, 5 Mar 01 11:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Date in a filename (Keith O'Connell)
Re: Date in a filename ("Eric")
How to setup linux on a portable HD
Re: crc errors at boot (Luigi Cavallo)
Re: Where can I download linux? (Rod Smith)
Re: Mail Advice (H.Bruijn)
Re: multiboot help (Rod Smith)
Re: Disabling Telnet ("Scot Mc Pherson")
Re: vfat-Filesystem and UC/LC-conversion (Rod Smith)
Re: Linux partitioning question ("Scot Mc Pherson")
Re: crc errors at boot ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: newbie questions ("Ari")
FTP upload with squid proxy (Raphael)
Re: SuSE 7.1 kernel compile docs incomplete? (Paul Kimoto)
Why the directory /usr/src/linux disappears in Redhat Linux 7.0 ("Trevor Ng")
Re: Date in a filename (Paul Kimoto)
LISa LAN Browsing (Sean Dynan)
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From: Keith O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Date in a filename
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:18:50 GMT
Karl
> This also works in UNIX... you need to use the ` character. Note, that is
> NOT the single quote, but the like-single quote that you find on your tilde
> "~" key.
AAHAA!
That was were the solution lay it was the ` - I have no ` on my tilde
key, I have a #, The key I needed was one to the left of "1" on the top
row. My textbooks assume a US keyboard and it was the UK mapping that
was making me go wrong
Thanks for saying enough to make me understand my error! :-)
Keith
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith O'Connell)
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Date in a filename
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:38:30 +0100
> Might I further recommend that you subsequenty compress or gzip that tar
> file to save some space.
>
I wouldn't do that for back-ups.
If the file gets (partly) corrupted, you will not be able to restore any
data from it.
Back-ups should be tarred only.
If you want to distribute something, then you should zip it.
Eric
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to setup linux on a portable HD
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:39:23 +0800
Hi there,
I'm a newbie,
I've a notebook PC, wich I'm writing whit, and I'd like to setup linux on
my portable Hard Disk connected via PC card.
I got RH 6.1 and Mandrake 7.0, but both don't see the external HD. They
show me only the internal one.
PC card was configured correctly, but no Hard Disk. On a previous
installation, after Linux was running, I could see de attached portable
HD, but no before.
My purpose is to setup Linux on this portable HD and booting from a
floppy I'll be able to use only one HD with 2 PC. Is it possible?
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From: Luigi Cavallo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: crc errors at boot
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:45:13 +0100
I hade the same problem. This was the solution.
After compiling the new kernel, you don't have to copy only the bzImage,
but also the System.map file from /usr/src/linux into /boot, and also
re-run lilo.
Some good soul suggested this to me and it worked.
gg
Greg Walrath wrote:
> I'm having problems getting Linux to run on my Dell XPS T600r. It loads
> and initially runs fine the first time, but I can't get it to do that
> consistently afterwards.
>
> When I boot in to the system on subsequent loads, I get the following:
>
> Running linux............
> Unpacking Linux...
>
> crc error
>
> -----System Halted
>
> This happens with Red Hat 7.0; about 1 time out of 10 it will load
> properly; the other times I get that error. I also tried this with
> TurboLinux 6.0.20SE, and got the same result, though I was _never_ able
> to boot in to that OS at all - I always got this CRC error.
>
> I have a dual-boot system with Win98 and (my attempts at) Linux. When I
> boot in to Windows and run various disk-checking software, it turns up
> no errors.
>
> Anyone else seen this, and been able to resolve it?
>
> --
> Greg Walrath
> Dont' include the no.spam. in replies!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Where can I download linux?
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:51:21 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <97umaf$ife$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Linux Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What is the "best" flavour for a beginner?
This is a very subjective matter. For my own comments on several
distributions, see:
http://www.rodsbooks.com/distribs/
> I've just been reading about Armed.net's version which will run alongside
> Windows so that newbies can continue to use Windows whilst learning Linux.
> Does anyone have any comments about this?
I have no experience with this distribution, so I can't comment on it
specifically. I can, however, say that *ANY* Linux distribution can run
alongside Windows, in the sense that any Linux can be dual-booted with
Windows. Some make it easier to install on a working Windows system
without repartitioning, but IMHO this is only an acceptable method of
installation if you just want to futz around a bit and aren't sure you
want to keep Linux. Installing Linux on a Windows partition involves a
lot of compromises that degrade Linux performance, so repartitioning
really is the best way to go.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
Subject: Re: Mail Advice
Date: 5 Mar 2001 15:08:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 22:45:47 +1100, Peter Nunn allegedly wrote:
>Hi herman,
>
>thanks for the input.
>
>can you tell me more about the difference between imap and pop.
IMAP keeps mail on the server, in multiple files. So when you keep fi a
copy of all outgoing messages, those will be stored on the mail server,
in your home directory. A proper explanation can be found at
http://imap.org/papers/docs/rfc2060.html
POP3 is used to check if new mail is received, if so then that message is
downloaded to the client, and more often then not deleted from the mail
server. All further processing is done by the client, at the location of
the client.
>I like the idea of leaving the mail on the server, but how do I set,
>say, M$ outlook to use imap rather than pop (I now, may not know, but
>its worth an ask).
Frankly I haven't used windows for years, but I assume that you simply
create a new mailbox, and then access it with IMAP, which is a standard
question.
>Also, if I do use IMAP and delete the message on my client, does it
>get deleted on the server (I get lots of mail messages every day and
>so don't want to keep the majority of them).
IIRC most modern IMAP clients do not delete directly, but move the
message to a "deleted messages" folder, where they are stored for
limited amount of time and then purged. That "deleted messages" folder
will also be on the server.
What most people do is use a procmail filter on their linux machine
first, which checks your incoming mail, filters them on a set of rules
and then dumps them in different files in your ~/mail directory.
Mail from the mailings list UULUG goes to the folder UULUG, mail from my
Mother ends up in the folder Mom, known spammer get automagically
deleted etc. etc.
When such a new message has arrived, your IMAP client should notify you
"You've got mail!" and highlight the folder the new mail message has
arrived in (preferably with th enumber of new massges in that folder).
--
If a trainstation is the place where trains stop, what is a workstation?
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Herman Bruijn mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Netherlands website: http://hermanbruijn.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Crossposted-To:
aus.computers.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup.hardware,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup.misc,microsoft.public.windowsnt,microsoft.public.windowsnt.setup
Subject: Re: multiboot help
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:10:27 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <j9Fo6.62662$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Alex Zaslavsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> For college I have been given a simple assignment to set up a multi boot
> system running. MS-dos 6.22, windows 98, windows NT server 4.0 and any
> version of linux (i have redhat 5.2 , 7.0 and mandrake 7.2).
There are many HOWTOs on booting Linux along with various other OSs,
but the last I checked there were none that covered multi-booting with
several other OSs. Check http://www.linuxdoc.org for the existing
HOWTOs. I've written a book on multi-booting, _The Multi-Boot
Configuration Handbook_ (http://www.rodsbooks.com/multiboot/), which
may be helpful to you.
As a general comment, Microsoft OSs tend to work best when installed
from their own partitions, but they don't come with appropriate tools
to support this configuration. (Many people believe they do, but
they're mistaken -- when you "install Windows NT to drive D:", for
instance, as many people report doing, you're really installing the
WINNT directory to D:, but critical boot files still go in C:. To
*TRULY* separate these OSs, it's best to put each on its own primary
partition. To select between them, you'll need a third-party boot
loader. System Commander (http://www.v-com.com) is very useful for
this. PowerQuest's (http://www.powerquest.com) BootMagic (which also
comes with my book) is less flexible but will do the trick. So will
Linux's LILO, but it requires some fairly advanced tweaking, and the
only practical way to install LILO is after Linux is up and running,
and the best way to do this is to install Linux last. You're therefore
probably best off using System Commander, BootMagic, or perhaps some
other boot loaders (there are plenty of them out there). Installing
each Windows OS to its own primary partition will consume three of your
four available primary partitions. This means that Linux will have to go
entirely on logical partitions (they're all grouped into a single
extended partition that counts as the fourth primary).
> I have tried several attempts at getting the boot to work, so far I have had
> little luck as red hat 7.0 and mandrake 7.2 will not install on my computer.
Sometimes there are peculiar distribution-specific problems when
installing to specific hardware. Red Hat and Mandrake are closely
related, so they might suffer from the same problems. It might be
worthwhile to try something else, like Debian, Storm, Caldera, or SuSE.
> When installing Red hat 5.2 as the last OS my computer fails to boot NT and
> gives a error NTKRNL.EXE missing or corrupted. and when installing NT last
> it can not overcome the lilo boot from the MBR.
LILO can boot NT, although I don't believe I've ever tried booting NT
with LILO installed on the MBR. I have multi-booted NT from System
Commander, BootMagic, and LILO installed on a Linux partition.
> when I partition my HDD
> HDA1 is dos partition
> HDA2 is linux root
> HDA3 is linux swap
> HDA5 is NTFS
This isn't how I'd recommend it; see above.
> i have also found some instructions on the internet and have found that they
> do not work with Red hat 7.0. The instructions are;
[instructions for using NT's OS Loader to boot Linux snipped.]
These instructions *SHOULD* work, but *ONLY* if you selected the option
to install LILO on the boot partition's boot sector. I suspect it's not
working for you because your system installed LILO somewhere else.
Personally, I dislike using OS Loader for booting Linux, because it adds
steps whenever a change to the LILO configuration is required (namely,
copying the boot sector to the Windows partition). This takes time and
introduces extra possibilities for error. It's the way that's favored by
at least some HOWTOs, though.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: "Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Disabling Telnet
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:15:11 GMT
"Hal Burgiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:32:47 -0700, Mark Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >Hi,
> >I'm just learning how to set up a Linux server and would like to know
> >how I can disable the telnet services? I run a RedHat 7.0 box, which
> >comes with SSH already installed and operating. I would much rather
> >run SSH than telnet. Can anyone tell me what I can do to shut telnet
> >off, or at the very least block access to it from other computers on
> >the Internet? Thanks,
>
> As root:
>
> chkconfig telnet off
>
> should do it.
>
This won't do it completely. If a bug can be exploited to reboot the system,
telnet will be re-enabled
in the file /etc/xinetd.d/telnet
disable = yes
to ensure that when a reboot occurs you are still not running telnet.
---
Scot
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: vfat-Filesystem and UC/LC-conversion
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:17:38 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rainer Menzner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> if I copy files from a ext2-partition to a mounted vfat-partition the
> filenames are perfectly preserved under Linux. The problem is that
> filenames which (by chance) adhere to the 8.3 naming convention appear
> in uppercase only under Windows. The leads to problems because after
> burning a CD from such data under Windows these filename remain
> uppercase even if the CD is mounted under Linux.
The original FAT stores filenames in all-uppercase, but because most
filenames in Linux are predominantly lowercase, Linux converts them to
lowercase by default. This works in the opposite direction, too. In
VFAT, long filenames with case preserved are stored for filenames longer
than 8.3, so the case is consistent between Linux and Windows; but for
short filenames, case will not be consistent.
I thought I remembered there being a mount option that would change
Linux's handling of case on short filenames, but I can't seem to find it
in "man mount". Perhaps I was thinking of the ISO-9660 map=off option.
One workaround I can think of is to transfer the files in a carrier
file, like a .zip file. This should preserve the case correctly. You
could also use an ext2fs driver in Windows to access the Linux files
that way. Some CD-R software may include options on how to handle the
case of short filenames, but I don't know of any examples of this
offhand.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: "Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux partitioning question
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:19:45 GMT
"Alberto BARSELLA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Cjv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "Tim Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > # go to single user mode
> > > init 1
> [good sequence snipped]
>
> If you use a separate / partition, make sure that it contains a
> /var/tmp directory (which will disappear when /var is mounted). This
> way if you find yourself forced to boot with only / mounted, the
> programs which need to use /tmp will work instead of complaining about
> a non-existent directory.
>
> Bye,
> Alberto
This shouldn't be a problem if you use the rescue disks..
Scot Mc Pherson
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: crc errors at boot
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:14:25 +0100
In comp.os.linux.help Luigi Cavallo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hade the same problem. This was the solution.
> After compiling the new kernel, you don't have to copy only the bzImage,
> but also the System.map file from /usr/src/linux into /boot, and also
NO YOU DON'T. Stop this vicious unfounded rumour now. Where do you guys
get this from? Did you also stir your coffee anticlockwise at the same
time?
> re-run lilo.
Now THAT is the solution. You can forget the bit about sprinkling salt
over your left shoulder too.
>> When I boot in to the system on subsequent loads, I get the following:
>>
>> Running linux............
>> Unpacking Linux...
>>
>> crc error
Bad image or mad/bad medium.
Peter
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From: "Ari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: newbie questions
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:35:39 +0800
Unfortunately many people haven't been as lucky as you with this current run
of cdroms (including me). Yet I will always encourage newbies to purchase
the pocketbooks if only for the distributions contained on them, as I and
others have had very good experiences with the pocketbooks in the past, and
I'm not going to let one problem (which they've promised to correct for me)
colour my entire opinion. However, seeing as others (including me) have had
the same or similar symptoms due to a poor run of a few of the cdroms, it
seemed salient to this troubleshooting discussion and worthy of comment :-)
Ari
"Tim Forshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:98033t$gc5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I've installed Mandrake 7.2 from the APC PocketBook on several machines -
no
> probs at all. I don't think that that is where this problem is hiding.
> tim
>
> "Ari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3aa36f76$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Have you tried the mandrake cdrom boot/install on another computer? If
> > you're using the mandrake 7.2 bootable installation cdrom from the linux
> > pocketbook then I'd say that's the problem. I've had the same trouble.
> > The Mandrake 7.2 installation cdrom was produced even more poorly than
the
> > otehr cdroms in the pocketbook set this time around. I think they've
> > learned their lesson, and will do better next time, but until then you
> have
> > to contact the company and have them send you out another cdrom.
> >
> > Ari
> >
> >
> > "Alex Zaslavsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:OvFo6.62692$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > sorry
> > >
> > > i forgot to mention
> > >
> > > it is a ide cd writer set to slave on the primary controler and the
HDD
> is
> > a
> > > 20gb seagate
> > >
> > > "omitted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >a) when booting from the cd-rom it shows that it is capable of
seeing
> > the
> > > > >fdd, it hangs for a second then boots the hdd. The Bios is set to
> boot
> > > off
> > > > >cdrom (the cd rom is a Sony 928e CD WRITER)
> > > >
> > > > have you been able to boot from other cdroms? perhaps your cdrom
(or
> > scsi
> > > > card) does not support this?
> > > >
> > > > >b) when booting from dos and using autorun I get a read error from
> the
> > > linux
> > > > >cd (tried the cd on another system worked without any problems).
> > > >
> > > > without the specific error, it's near impossible for anyone to fix
> this.
> > > >
> > > > >2. When Installing mandrake 7.2 it will not mount the cd rom when
> > running
> > > > >install or when using linux.
> > > >
> > > > what exact command are you trying, and what are the errors
> encountered?
> > > > is it scsi/ide? if scsi do you know the channel/id/lun? if ide
then
> > > > do you know which controller it's on, and if it's master or slave?
> > > >
> > > > try to be more specific...
> > > >
> > > > m.
> > > > --
> > > > ._ ._ ._ ._
> > > > _.-._)`\_.-._)`\_.-._)`\_.-._)`\_.-._
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: Raphael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FTP upload with squid proxy
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:40:52 GMT
Hi all,
I still have problems with ftp uploads (put command) through my squid
HTTP proxy.
When I want to upload a file to a remote site I have this message :
put: Access failed: 413 Request Entity Too Large
With a smaller file it works fine.
I can't find the parameter in squid.conf file to resolve this.
Anyone can help me?
Thank you...
--
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Raphael RIGNIER
Administrateur r�seau Post-Bac
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Il est �vident � toute personne de bien,
que Dieu � cr�� l'homme pour que les chats
puissent �tre carress�s entre les oreilles.
Jaloux, l'homme a cr�� l'ordinateur avec le pi�tre r�sultat que l'on sait...
Jean Michel MORENO
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: SuSE 7.1 kernel compile docs incomplete?
Date: 5 Mar 2001 10:52:28 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Perry wrote:
> As a matter of interest. How do you do this? I have never been able to get
> pcmcia-cs to compile from sources if it finds kernel pcmcia drivers.
> Admittedly, I have only tried the 2.4.0 release. I had to go through and
> "scrub" the kernel pcmcia sources before pcmcia-cs (Hinds stuff) would
> complete.
I'm not sure what you're asking, but (1) I never rebuild the userland
pcmcia-cs tools (cardctl, cardmgr, etc.), and (2) I never try to build the
pcmcia-cs (Hinds) drivers for a 2.4 kernel (because I set CONFIG_PCMCIA=y
and use the kernel drivers).
--
Paul Kimoto
This message was originally posted on Usenet in plain text. Any images,
hyperlinks, or the like shown here have been added without my consent,
and may be a violation of international copyright law.
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From: "Trevor Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Why the directory /usr/src/linux disappears in Redhat Linux 7.0
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:37:34 +0800
Can anyone here why does the linux source directory /usr/src/linux
disappears in Redhat Linux 7.0 or what directory is used instead?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Date in a filename
Date: 5 Mar 2001 10:55:52 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Keith O'Connell wrote:
> That was were the solution lay it was the ` - I have no ` on my tilde
> key, I have a #, The key I needed was one to the left of "1" on the top
> row. My textbooks assume a US keyboard and it was the UK mapping that
> was making me go wrong
In modern Bourne-derived shells, you can use $() instead of `` -- i.e.,
$ some_command $(some_other_command)
instead of
$ some_command `some_other_command`
This also has the advantage that it is easier to nest $() than to nest ``
(which requires lots of \'s).
--
Paul Kimoto
This message was originally posted on Usenet in plain text. Any images,
hyperlinks, or the like shown here have been added without my consent,
and may be a violation of international copyright law.
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From: Sean Dynan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.windows.x.kde
Subject: LISa LAN Browsing
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:04:50 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Has anyone out there got this to work??
There's NO help with KDE 2.1 and my previously working 2.0 LAN browsing
set-up was stomped by the upgrade to 2.1 and this new LISa LAN browsing
module for Control Center.
I'm using SuSE 7.1 + 2.4.0 kernel.
Any help appreciated (please CC my email address too).
--Sean.
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