Linux-Setup Digest #839, Volume #20 Fri, 16 Mar 01 03:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: IRIX setup (Steve Martin)
Re: What is arkeia? (John Scudder)
Re: boot's fsck skips / -- severe problems (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Re: .bash_profile not execute at login (Chris Pelton)
Can't get to hard drive-even with a boot disc. (Bobert)
help with Linux FreeS/Wan VPN installation (Hung Ngoc Lai)
Re: compile error - gcc (Nick Traxler)
Re: Advice Needed - Partitioning New HD For Linux (Darin Johnson)
Re: USB ("Zayin Krige")
Re: .bash_profile not execute at login (David Efflandt)
Re: Updating chap-secrets and pap-secrets (E J)
Re: Disk Access (David Efflandt)
Re: Install a new harddisk ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Updating chap-secrets and pap-secrets (David Efflandt)
Re: uninstall ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can you bypass the logon procedure with Linux? (Clark Kent)
Re: Need help with LILO, I think. ("Eric")
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IRIX setup
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:15:34 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> old system version is IRIX 6.4,now I am going to update 6.5.
> what am I doing?
I believe what you are doing is posting in the wrong NG.
IRIX installation is nothing at all like Linux installation
(having done both, I can testify to that).
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From: John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is arkeia?
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:38:40 -0500
I thought 'tina' was backup software? Why does my Mandrake installation
need to load 2 backup programs on bootup?
John
> John Scudder wrote:
> >
> > My system loads arkeia at boot. What does that do? I can't find a man or
> > doc on it.
> >
> > John
>
> It is backup software. You can find documentation at the address below.
>
> www.arkeia.com
>
> --
> Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
> Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
> ID # 123538
> Completed more W/U's than 99.108% of seti users. +/- 0.01%
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From: Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: boot's fsck skips / -- severe problems
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:07:17 GMT
Hi,
after about two months of running now, I had some swap-paging
kernel panic error and I had to force a hard reset.
Guess what!! -- root-filesystem came up clean while all the
other filesystems have a 'check forced' ... what's so special and
superior about my root partition that it never gets its check forced
even on frigging hard-resets without proper shutdowns (hard-reset
as in pressing the reset button , instead of cntl-alt-del).
-- I boot using the boot-rescue floppies to do e2fsck on /, manually.
I am a slackware guy since 1993, and I am letting myself be
swept away in the flow (towards redhat). And I simply can't
get myself to fathom these complex rc.d scripts that come with an RH
distribution.
Thanks for your response.
Derek Viljoen wrote:
> This is not NT. You don't need to do this. Just run fsck while it's up
> and if it reports any problems, THEN do a reboot.
>
> You can even have cron run it and email you the results if you like.
> But *nix OS's don't need (and some would argue, shouldn't) be rebooted
> that often. And the main reasons are 1) it doesn't need to be, and 2)
> exactly the experience you're citing.
>
> Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a file server that has three partitions.
> > For safety's sake, I run a 'shutdown -F' via crontab every month
>
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From: Chris Pelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .bash_profile not execute at login
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:28:09 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Low Han Ming wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've setup my machine to run Red Hat 7.0 with KDE.
>
> I notice that the .bash_profile for my root is not executed during login.
> My PATH setting is
> ~/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6:/opt/kde2/bin:/usr/lib/kde2/bin:/usr/local/bi
> n
>
> However, in my .bash_profile
> The setting is /etc:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:$PATH:$HOME/bin
> and
> I don't have a /opt/kde2/bin as found in the PATH.
>
> Can anyone kindly advice on where I've gone wrong.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Han Ming
I believe the .bashrc file is the file sourced at the initial login and
.bash_profile is sourced at any later shell initialization, such as xterms
being opened. What I do is put an echo statement, such as:
echo "using bash_profile"
in the .bash_profile, and
echo "using bashrc"
in the .bashrc file, then when you login and start various other shells you can
see what is running. Or you could just put the path in every file that starts
with .bash.
Hope that helps,
Chris
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From: Bobert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't get to hard drive-even with a boot disc.
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:30:04 -0000
This is odd-
Here's the story in a nutshell. I loaded Mandrake Linux onto a 13gig hard
drive on my computer. I want to use LILO. Boot up and get to LI (in LILO)
and then I get a bunch of 40s going across the screen like....
40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40
40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40
40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40
40 40 40 40 40
OK, so I use the boot disk I made during the installation and get grub to
be the OS loader. Boot up and get GEOM Error. Do a little research and
find that there's something weird with the BIOS and the hard drive. BIOS
sees only the first 8gigs. No big deal. I can still see the Windows98
portion of the hard drive when I boot up fine with the Linux boot disk. I
figure just re-install Windows98 and use the boot disk for Linux access. I
test out a boot disk and it gives me a C: prompt and a D: prompt(the CD- I
left Windows98 at work because I did not think I needed it.) Come home
next day and go to boot off the same Windows98 boot disk and all that
happens now is I see the 3.5" light come on and then it stays on, normal,
the hard drive light comes on when the 3.5" goes out and stays on and
stays on...all I have on the screen is a blinking line. THe Linux boot
disk still loads up Linux fine also so I know that 3.5" is working fine.
Now I have a computer that 1) If I boot up with no boot disk gives me a
Geom Error 2) Boot up with a Windows98 (I have tried several other ones)
and I get just a blinking cursor and a steady on hard drive 3) Boot up
with my Mandrake Linux and get a working Linux compuet. What is
happening????? Thank God I still have computers at work to experiment
with. Help. I have a fine working Linux partition(if I use the boot disk)
and a completely inaccessable Windows98 partition.
Thanx Bob
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From: Hung Ngoc Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help with Linux FreeS/Wan VPN installation
Date: 16 Mar 2001 01:34:46 GMT
hi everyone,
Has anyone had any success with FreeS/Wan for Linux (i.e.
VPN gateway, IPSec tunnel) on Redhat Linux 7.0 with
kernel 2.4.2. I downloaded freeswan-1.8.tar.gz and performed
the following operations:
gunzip freeswan-1.8.tar.gz
tar -xvpf freeswan-1.8.tar
I go to /usr/src/freeswan-1.8 perform this operation:
make ogo
It gives me an error that the kernel can NOT be patched.
I read that at the moment, only RedHat 6.2 with kernel 2.2.17
is supported. Does it mean I have to reinstall my box
from scratch. Anyone know a workaround for this
problem? Please help me...
Thanks.
Hung
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From: Nick Traxler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: compile error - gcc
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:14:22 -0500
This was what fixed it. I just patched in that
diff file and it compiled. Now I have to make
util-linux and e2fsprogs, and I'll (finally)
be able to build the 2.4 kernel.
Thanks for all the replies!
Nick
Frank Neurath wrote:
> gcc-2.95.2 does not compile with glibc-2.2.2 !
>
> You have to patch gcc. Check: http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/bugs.html
>
> Frank
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Subject: Re: Advice Needed - Partitioning New HD For Linux
From: Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:35:29 GMT
John Sage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The general idea with separate partitions is that something bad happening
> on one cannot overflow onto another, very simply put...
Plus, on bootup the system will validate your partitions if the system
wasn't shut down right (power failure, crash, etc), and possibly at
other times. With one huge partition, this would take a very long
time.
> You are going to *have* to get "..interested in the mechanics of Linux.."
> if, as *you* say:
Or get a system administrator to manage it for you!
But, JUST LIKE WINDOWS, things work better if you know the mechanics.
People that think they can run windows without knowing about it will
end up with badly configured and unstable systems.
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From: "Zayin Krige" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:37:59 +0200
I disabled IRQ for usb in the BIOS, but the same thing still happens...
"Steve Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Gregory Davis wrote:
>
> > > if i unplug the mouse and replug it in, the message repeats.
> > >
> > > as far as i can see, my network card, video card and usb hub ar
sharing
> > > the same irq. is this maybe th cause. any help will be appreciated
>
> > Maybe. In that case, try specifying IRQs for each in the BIOS. If they
> > already are, try having the BIOS set them up automatically. Try setting
> > your BIOS for PnP compatible OS and for PnP OS incompatible.
>
> Yes, I'd guess that the shared IRQ is probably the problem.
> Get them each their own IRQ (whether by jumper-setting,
> BIOS setting, whatever), then see if Linux detects them all
> properly by looking at /proc/interrupts.
>
> Good luck.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: .bash_profile not execute at login
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:40:33 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Chris Pelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Low Han Ming wrote:
>
>> I've setup my machine to run Red Hat 7.0 with KDE.
>>
>> I notice that the .bash_profile for my root is not executed during login.
>> My PATH setting is
>> ~/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6:/opt/kde2/bin:/usr/lib/kde2/bin:/usr/local/bi
>> n
>>
>> However, in my .bash_profile
>> The setting is /etc:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:$PATH:$HOME/bin
>> and I don't have a /opt/kde2/bin as found in the PATH.
>>
>> Can anyone kindly advice on where I've gone wrong.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Han Ming
>
>I believe the .bashrc file is the file sourced at the initial login and
>.bash_profile is sourced at any later shell initialization, such as xterms
>being opened. What I do is put an echo statement, such as:
Actually it is the other way around. ~/.bash_profile (or .profile in
SuSE) is only read if you do a shell login (console, telnet, ssh, etc.).
~/.bashrc is read before any bash shell command.
Opening an xterm does not really logon (unless specifically set up
as a login). Also X may modify the PATH so it can find things it needs.
Appending to the $PATH in .bashrc is probably not a good idea, because it
might constantly grow, but you could set a full PATH there.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Updating chap-secrets and pap-secrets
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:31:19 GMT
Bell Sympatico is really screwy imposing pppoe on adsl. It would drive me to
Shaw or Rogers @Home service.
I hope Telus does not adopt pppoe for their adsl service.
Check setting pap and chap still used in dial up service in
http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PPP-HOWTO.html
Eric Lambi wrote:
> I am trying to set up my Linux computer to connect to the internet via
> highspeed dsl service provide by Bell Sympatico. Bell has intructions about
> how to do this at
> http://www1.sympatico.ca/help/local/bell/hsedownloadslinux.bell.html
>
> Step 4 is to: "Update /etc/ppp/chap-secrets and pap-secrets with your login
> User ID and password information. See manual pages for pppd for more
> information. Also, be sure to supply your UserID information in start-pppoe
> "
>
> Can some one give me an example of how my User ID and password information
> would look like in these files.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Disk Access
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:52:34 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, RumbleFish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have Redhat 7.0 installed on my machine. When everything is up and
>running without any problems, the disk gets accessed about every 3sec. This
>takes place for the whole time that I am running linux. I tried to find out
>which process it causing this but when I run top other processes take
>precedent.
>
>Does anyone know what process will try to access the disk every 3sec all the
>while linux is running?
You probably have some sort of automounter running, or if you are running
gnome it is magicdev checking the cdrom. For example if you insert a
music CD does your cd player automatically start? You can change various
options for this somewhere in the gnome configuration menus.
If it is some other automounter started during boot, you would have to
check what 'services' are started by the initscripts and remove that one
from whatever runlevel you are starting in (3 console, 5 X).
--
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http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Install a new harddisk ?
Date: 16 Mar 2001 07:02:29 GMT
Eric Chow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would you please to teach me how I can install a new harddisk?
The *hardware* part is fire simple (only some problem if you have
already another hard disk so you need to set it up like 'slave'),
but this depend on you *actual* hardware configuration.
> How to
> format it to Linux Native and how to automatically mount it when Linux
> startup ?
When the harddisk is up you have to tell your bios that it exist,
usually with modern bios this is done automatically but check if
the hard disk have been correctly discovered.
When your PC 'see' the hard disk, boot your machine as usual, then
use fdisk /dev/hd?, substitute the '?' with 'b' if the new hard disk
is the primary slave, 'c' if it is the primary master, 'd' if it is
the secondary slave (this if the disk is IDE/EIDE). Create a
partition on it with fdisk, then use mkfs to create the filesystem
on the newly created partition.
Then modify the /etc/fstab to have the new disk mounted somewhere in
your system. Do not substitute things that are already there and contains
important thing (e.g. /bin, /lib, /usr and so on).
See also the Hard-Disk-Upgrade-Mini-HOWTO at
www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/mini/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html
Davide
> Best regards,
> Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Updating chap-secrets and pap-secrets
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:11:07 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:03:08 GMT, Eric Lambi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am trying to set up my Linux computer to connect to the internet via
>highspeed dsl service provide by Bell Sympatico. Bell has intructions about
>how to do this at
>http://www1.sympatico.ca/help/local/bell/hsedownloadslinux.bell.html
>
>Step 4 is to: "Update /etc/ppp/chap-secrets and pap-secrets with your login
>User ID and password information. See manual pages for pppd for more
>information. Also, be sure to supply your UserID information in start-pppoe
>"
>
>Can some one give me an example of how my User ID and password information
>would look like in these files.
man pppd
If the login name is unique, then the 2nd field in pap-secrets can be *:
username * passwd
But if you have more than one connection with the same username and
different passwords the * would have to be a unique name and specify that
with a 'name' pppd option (unless your system has ppp setup scripts to do
that for you).
I haven't done chap-secrets. It is similar, but I think you might also
need another entry where the 'name' is first and username second.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: uninstall
Date: 16 Mar 2001 07:14:02 GMT
Adam Hulcoop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> or how about rm -Rf / :)
hummm... could work, but I think is faster (and maybe easyer)
simply remove the partition...
BTW, I saw once someone (the PHBIT) do something like that on
an old DOS box... boy, it was shocked when the machine froze!
Davide
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clark Kent)
Subject: Re: Can you bypass the logon procedure with Linux?
Reply-To: -
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:29:54 GMT
On 15 Mar 2001 23:18:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote:
>Not true. The very existence is of value to them. They will use your
>machine to launch attacks on other sites. It is when the FBI show up at
>your door because your computer was used to launch an attack on the
>White House that you realise that your position had some difficulties.
====
OK, I stand corrected. I will keep that in mind.
I will stay with Windows ME where my Linksys Router/Switch with NAT
and ZoneAlarm have been adequate to prevent problems for the last 6 or
8 years.
I will still look into Linux for my non-internet activity, but I will
try to avoid it for internet activity.
Thanks,
Clark
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help with LILO, I think.
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:36:47 +0100
> Er.. Actually eric, if you really knew what loadlin was you wouldn't
make
> rash statements about loadlin using another linux loader. If you read the
> documentation for loadlin you would soon discover that loadlin IS a
loader. I
> don't have lilo installed on any partition of my hd, I didnt even install
the
> binaries.
You're right, I wasn't thinking straight.
But you do copy the kernel-image over to your windows partition.
I'm not to fond of that idea. A matter of opinion I suppose.
> If windows gets clobbered then I use the handy dandy dos (or
> opendos,drdos, other non M$ dos), bootdisk with my handy dandy loadlin
> program and a handy linux kernel and boot linux that way...
> ( actually at the moment I have no
Which is the same for most LILO users,
The clobbering of windows, will then be just as big a problem for loadlin
users as for lilo users.
> The problem that you have in choosing to support bill and his cronies is
that
> you now see the world their way... (use M$, use M$ , use M$, bill is your
> friend, use M$, use M$, trust in bill...).
> I stopped the future expansion of M$ at win95... if it ain't broke, it
can't
> be M$....
I use the new MS-OS's to evaluate. I still like to see what it is about. (I
still don't like it)
I run win98 as an alternative OS I really use, due to the fact that I bought
crappy hardware.
> The real reason for this dis-agreement was that both of us see the
usefulness
> of linux bootloaders in two different ways, I LIKE LILO, but it has it's
> problems, I like LOADLIN but it has it's limitations, however when lilo
has
> been broken I have developed the strategy of using loadlin because it has
not
> failed me yet... When asked for advice concerning lilo from another linux
> user who has lilo problems I will always tell them of the alternatives.
Not
> to put lilo down, but to inform people that there are alternatives...
I do the same when I think it is the easiest solution.
(PS. there are more alternatives: nuni, grub)
And I agree.
Both loaders have their own pro's ansd con's
> I think we both owe an apology to cedric for hi-jacking his posting for a
> little 'mine is better than yours' crap....
>
> Sorry Cedric....
>
<shame>
(but it still was a nice discussion)
Eric
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