Linux-Setup Digest #865, Volume #20 Mon, 19 Mar 01 22:13:13 EST
Contents:
Re: Why people are doing that? (H.Bruijn)
Re: Help! POP3 / SMTP , WHats the best-easiest way to setup (Dean Thompson)
Re: Why people are doing that? (cd)
Re: Why people are doing that? (Jay & Shell)
Re: POP/IMAP Config Problem (Dean Thompson)
Re: Help: Howto setup dialin server (Dean Thompson)
Re: Why people are doing that? (David)
Re: Install Problem (Abel Romo)
howto portforwarding ("MR_EPOD")
Re: SCSI Install of RH7.0 - LILO hangs at boot ("Duane Healing")
Re: unnecessary hard disk io (Amir Khosrowshahi)
Re: Why people are doing that? (Jay & Shell)
What is the Gotcha with this combo? ("B.Y.")
Re: Linux router (L)
Re: Linux router (L)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
Subject: Re: Why people are doing that?
Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:05:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:37:02 -0500, Allen allegedly wrote:
>I can't really understand why people want to
>spend 5 or 10 hours trying to get a device
>working on linux since there is no help whatsoever
>for it, while it only takes half an hour to get it
>working on Windows? Isn't that a great waste of
>personal life as well as social resources? Does it
>really make sense for computer industry to go back
>to squre one and try to recreate a wheel which we
>already have now? Do people really believe that
>an OS which requires all of its users to know how
>to use makefile can go that far? After all, even
>primitive DOS 1.0 doesn't require me to graduate
>with a CS degree first before I start using it?
>If a resource requires so much background knowledge
>before anyone can really use it, then what's the
>difference does it make compares to not having the
>resource at all?
>
>Can someone give some reasonable and inspirational
>answers for the above questions?
I doubt that you really wnat to know, but here goes:
First linux, as any other true multi user OS makes a distinction between
the users, who USE the system, and the system administrator, more commonly
known as root, whose task it is to CONFIGURE the system and to keep it up
and running.
Root is supposed to install software, configure it, and set things up so
that users can simply use it. Root configures dial on demand, and
subsequently any user automagically goes online when he or she wants to
read their mail or browse the web, and has no need to know anything about
DNS, ppp, type of modem, the name of the ISP, IRQ's, interupts or
whatever. And what is even better, they can't even change those settings,
so the fact that users run every mail attachment they get, can't destroy
the system.
Now that you've taken the role of root, you also taken a certain amount
of responsibility. You have taken control, and that requires a certain
amount of extra knowledge, you need to know exactly what needs to be
done, and therefor you need to read manuals. Everything has its price.
Otherwise use windows, where you relinquish a lot of control over the
system for a certain increase in ease-of-use. For me the trade-off is
in favour of linux, but if you don't want to learn more to get things
done, the balance may tilt in the direction of windows. No harm done.
In the end a computer is a tool, and as long as it gets the job done,
who cares how you get it done.
Second, linux and other flavours of unix make great servers, which have
different requirements and uses as to desktop machines. So if you only
want to play games, do a little DeskTop Publishing, and browse the web,
why bother learning to use linux? If you want to run a domain with email,
webserver, fileserver, and more in your organisation, linux is an
attractive OPTION; it has high quality tools, which are very robust,
versatile and free. For some people it also makes a good desktop OS, it
is just that most people are so used to windows that they consider off-
hand everything _different_ as _inferior_.
Generally linux is a more specialised, heavy-duty tool, which might be,
but not necessarily is, something for you. It's getting a certain amount
of publicity, and people start to tout it as the best thing since sliced
bread. I would like to compare it to something most people can
comprehend: Linux can be the car that wins you the Indy 5000, but that
requires not only a decent car, but also a skilled mechanic to tune the
engine, and an exceptional driver. That same car is useless the racing
driver's wife who needs to drop the kids off at kindergarten, commutes
to work and picks up the groceries on the way home. The ability to reach
speeds up to 200 mph is quite useless on roads with a speed limit of 65
and where 35 is the average during your daily commute.
Linux can also be the 60 ft truck that delivers 20 tonnes of supplies,
but which, even though you can drive, you're not allowed to operate
without proper training. But in a lot of cases linux is as usefull as
using a fule-guzzling 4WD SUV to commute to work on 20 demanding miles
of smoothly paved Interstate.
And let's not forget, often people who say windows is so easy get it
preinstalled from the assembly line, and never had to install it from scratch
with endless supplies of driver disks, countless reboots and other
agony.
But in the end the choice is yours, use what you want, based on what you
need, what you can afford and are comfortable with.
Just some random thoughts and cut-and-pastes.
--
If a trainstation is the place where trains stop, what is a workstation?
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Herman Bruijn mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Netherlands website: http://hermanbruijn.com
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Help! POP3 / SMTP , WHats the best-easiest way to setup
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:14:12 +1100
Hi Dan,
> I have recently been put in charge of setting up a POP3/SMTP e-mail
> server. What is the best-easiest way to set it up? I'm running Redhat 6.2.
> I have successfully set Up http/ftp already but I have never done mail
> before! Also, right now I am accessing my server by its ip address Help on
> how do setup A DNS sever(yes I have a domain name) is also needed but
> setting up a mail server is what I'm most unsure of. Also, knowing how to
> add/manage accounts after the server is setup would be helpful. I need to
> this beacuse two weeks ago the ISP who we had our e-mail hosted with went
> under. Now their is 30+ angry users and it was decided that I would setup a
> new Mail server instead of paying an ISP.
When you registered your domain name, you should have the possibility for the
domain register to actually act as a domain name server for you. If they
didn't you might like to think about using a public service to begin with.
Failing that, I would suggest that you read the BIND-HOWTO located at:
http://www.linuxdoc.org. It even has examples on how you set yourself up.
With regards to your mail problem, in the short term you should install the
sendmail package into the system as well as the "imap" package which includes
a pop daemon in it. This should get you up and running in the very short
term. Once you have a working configuration and you get the 30+ users happy
again (if that is ever possible :)), you might then like to start to take a
look at other options.
See ya
Dean Thompson
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| Bach. Computing (Hons) | ICQ - 45191180 |
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From: cd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why people are doing that?
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:23:10 -0600
Allen wrote:
>
> I can't really understand why people want to
> spend 5 or 10 hours trying to get a device
> working on linux since there is no help whatsoever
> for it, while it only takes half an hour to get it
> working on Windows?
I am one of those people who spends many hours to set up devices in
Linux. Why do I do it? I cannot speak for anybody else but I do it
because I want to know how to do it.I do it because I want to learn.I do
it because it interests me.
I also feel sorry for anybody who needs 30 minutes to set up anything on
Windows.If somebody needs 30 minutes to set up anything on Windows,they
have not educated themselves enough (not schooling wise-but learning
wise) and the challenge of setting something up comes with increased
learning.
>Isn't that a great waste of
> personal life as well as social resources?
It kinda depends-if your idea of personal life is wasting an evening in
front of the tv and drinking beer-then no,it isn't a waste of personal
life. If your are trying to obtain a college degree of some sort and
don't have time to waste- sure-it probably is a waste.
> Does it
> really make sense for computer industry to go back
> to squre one and try to recreate a wheel which we
> already have now?
I have done enough research/reading to tell you the wheel to which you
refer started with UNIX developed by Bell Labs Research in 1965.If Unix
didn't exist-Windows possibly may never had existed.
> Do people really believe that
> an OS which requires all of its users to know how
> to use makefile can go that far?
How many Windows System Administator jobs have you seen available? The
reason you don't see many is because pretty much anybody who spends any
time with Windows eventually runs out of learning
oppotunities,therefore,it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do the job.
> After all, even
> primitive DOS 1.0 doesn't require me to graduate
> with a CS degree first before I start using it?
> If a resource requires so much background knowledge
> before anyone can really use it, then what's the
> difference does it make compares to not having the
> resource at all?
It's all a part of the learning process.I learned how to click buttons
and drag n'drop in Windows.I am trying to increase my knowledge.I admit
that I find Windows easy to use and somedays I just want to go back to
Windows because it is easy and doesn't require any real knowledge. I
stick it out with Linux because I want to learn and do not wish to feel
like a monkey punching the left mouse button when I could be learning so
much more.
This is my reason for using Linux and I do not and cannot comment for
anybody else.
CD
> Can someone give some reasonable and inspirational
> answers for the above questions?
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From: Jay & Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why people are doing that?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:23:26 GMT
Allen wrote:
>
> I can't really understand why people want to
> spend 5 or 10 hours trying to get a device
> working on linux since there is no help whatsoever
> for it, while it only takes half an hour to get it
> working on Windows? Isn't that a great waste of
> personal life as well as social resources? Does it
> really make sense for computer industry to go back
> to squre one and try to recreate a wheel which we
> already have now?
Because most of us get our hardware working the way it is suposed to and
don't have to wait for another company to write a patch every two weeks
to find out we need another patch, once it's working in Linux it's
working, and WE can modify it to our own likings and tastes, as well, we
do not need bloatware and 2000 .dll files to initialize the hardware or
pay $80.00 for an update.And we, 90% of the time do NOT need to reboot
our systems to install an update.As far a social life, I like to read
and learn. You just proved in your own statement that Windows is a NO
BRAINER !!
Windows is NOT a wheel. It was stolen from Apple Inc. And before a war
starts YES IT WAS !!!
As far as a wheel goes, it sure has ALOT of holes in it, to me it
doesn't hold much !
Hey your tire is flat, "But only on the bottom" !
I never liked Windows myself, I always ran other O/S's when I COULD,
until now you were told you had to run MS. Things are changing, and most
of us like it. It's called FREEDOM OF CHOICE, actually it is a really
neat concept, allthough not a new one.
> Do people really believe that
> an OS which requires all of its users to know how
> to use makefile can go that far?
Maybe if MS opened their source code, manufacturers, and programers
could write STABLE programs for that O/S. When you are given a sheet
from Microsoft and told this is the way your program should be coded,
you really don't have much to go on. The only update I have ever gotten
for Linux is a kernel. No patches every 5 minutes, no lockups, no $100,
I like to see what it does and how it does it. I can see the backdoors
for one, for two, it doesn't cost $1000 a year for upgrades, I can tweek
anything I want. But the most important thing is I CAN GET MY SOFTWARE
TO ACTUALLY WORK THE WAY IT IS SUPOSED TO !!
MS breakdown - Windows 3.1 great multi-tasking O/S (Yeah right,maybe
between a DOS window and a text editor,Oh and DOS hmm, I can't write one
so lets buy one)It was the best lockup program ever written.
Windows '95 Better multiblablabla -Yeah right even more lockups
Windows '98 '98se which one there both crap.Even worse the '95 was
NT yeah ok whatever
2000 hmmm kinda but still not quite
MS Milenium Edition, what the hell is that? Oh I know CRAP! Won't easily
let you edit the registry, which I like to do to get rid of the crap
that is put there by poor codeing !!
I tried ME and dumped it in 3 minutes, my highspeed wasn't supported by
it. Hmmm yeah real good O/S.
It took me 3 minutes to install my HSE up in Linux !
Oh I can't wait to see the next Windows, I hear it's absolute CRAP, the
ultimate CRAPOLA !!!
Seems MS is having a hard time getting any of their OS's to run on the
new Intel chips, What's that you ask? Yes LINUX DOES !!!!!!!
--
Registered Linux user #192969
MS-Windows A Colorful Clown Suit For Dos !!!
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: POP/IMAP Config Problem
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:24:22 +1100
Hi Ray,
> I have a Redhat Linux 7.0 in a Pentium BOX, I want it to be a POP mail
> server and I can check the mail out of my home without login
> the console using PINE.
>
> So, I've install the IMAP rpm from the LINUX disk 2, and I don't
> know how to config it to run properly. Right now when I using
> the netscape mail to login sunday.d2g.com (my domain) and I can
> get thought the pop.... some error message like "server may down".
Is your pop daemon actually up, and if it is, are you running a firewall at
all which is preventing outside traffic reaching port 110 for pop or 143 for
IMAP ?
See ya
Dean Thompson
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+____________________________+____________________________________________+
| Dean Thompson | E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| Bach. Computing (Hons) | ICQ - 45191180 |
| PhD Student | Office - <Off-Campus> |
| School Comp.Sci & Soft.Eng | Phone - +61 3 9903 2787 (Gen. Office) |
| MONASH (Caulfield Campus) | Fax - +61 3 9903 1077 |
| Melbourne, Australia | |
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Help: Howto setup dialin server
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:26:26 +1100
Hi David,
You might like to take a look at the PPP-HOWTO document which is located at:
http://www.linuxdoc.org. It explains the various steps that you need to take
to make sure that your machine can dial into another system and get a PPP
connection. I presume this is what you are trying to achieve.
See ya
Dean Thompson
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+____________________________+____________________________________________+
| Dean Thompson | E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| Bach. Computing (Hons) | ICQ - 45191180 |
| PhD Student | Office - <Off-Campus> |
| School Comp.Sci & Soft.Eng | Phone - +61 3 9903 2787 (Gen. Office) |
| MONASH (Caulfield Campus) | Fax - +61 3 9903 1077 |
| Melbourne, Australia | |
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why people are doing that?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:26:43 GMT
Allen wrote:
>
> I can't really understand why people want to
> spend 5 or 10 hours trying to get a device
> working on linux since there is no help whatsoever
> for it, while it only takes half an hour to get it
> working on Windows? Isn't that a great waste of
> personal life as well as social resources? Does it
> really make sense for computer industry to go back
> to squre one and try to recreate a wheel which we
> already have now? Do people really believe that
> an OS which requires all of its users to know how
> to use makefile can go that far? After all, even
> primitive DOS 1.0 doesn't require me to graduate
> with a CS degree first before I start using it?
> If a resource requires so much background knowledge
> before anyone can really use it, then what's the
> difference does it make compares to not having the
> resource at all?
>
> Can someone give some reasonable and inspirational
> answers for the above questions?
No more re-format and re-installs.
No more BSOD.
No more reboots just to install a program.
.NET __ I Think .NOT
CTRL+ALT+DEL # What?? I press it and nothing happens!!! My choice by
the way.
Once it is configured it just works.
By the way can your windoz system 24 W/U's all at the same time?
ROFLMO (rolling on floor laughing my a** off)
That's funny because I have in the past on my Linux system, and I still
had the power to browse the web, run a web server, a name server, a mail
server, a ftp server, and a couple of other things as well all at the
same time. Try that on a windoz system.
Just to name a few.
ahhh! The power of Linux.
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
Completed more W/U's than 99.120% of seti users. +/- 0.01%
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From: Abel Romo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Install Problem
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:30:07 -0000
Jack Moore wrote:
>
>
> Im trying to install pklinux on my old 486 (im trying to turn it into a
file
> server). When i go to install it, everthing seems to work fine, but
when it
> tries to reboot the kernal, i get 'invalid system disk' every time. any
> ideas on what the problem may be? sorry for being such a newbie.
>
>
I got the same problem once and I fixed it by activating the partition.
Have you tried that?
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: "MR_EPOD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: howto portforwarding
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:31:53 GMT
i want to ftp to my firewall rh7.0 + patches on port 2121
and have it redirect it
to a pc behind my firewall
eg.
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ftp to----> 192.168.0.1:2121 ---> 192.168.0.10:210
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do i use ipmasqadm and if so what would i put into my firewall script to
do this.
thanx in advance
MR_EPOD
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From: "Duane Healing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCSI Install of RH7.0 - LILO hangs at boot
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:34:04 -0800
What does your partition layout look like? Boot off a floppy and post the
results of an "fdisk -l /dev/sd?". And also list what filesystems are on
what partitions.
--
-Duane
-DNAware SoftLabs
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "John VanHoozer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been looking through the RH and other archive sites but have not
> found a good answer to the problem:
> Was a Dual boot using boot magic - RH6.2 and Win98 Machine has an
> Adaptec 2940UW adapter that used to work just fine. Now after the
> install, I get the "LI" portion of LILO and the thing hangs. I've tried
> both linear mode enabled and not, and no difference. I've only got 2
> scsi hard drives installed currently. When running LILO is says: "drive
> 0x82" may not be accessible. Any ideas?????? Thanks.
> jcv
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amir Khosrowshahi)
Subject: Re: unnecessary hard disk io
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:42:53 GMT
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:33:19 GMT, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Amir Khosrowshahi wrote:
>>
>> i have the problem that every few seconds, the hard disk is accessed
>> (the light goes on, makes noise). i have tried several times to figure
>> out which process is accessing the disk so frequently (for example, by
>> killing the processes one by one), have checked the logs, made sure
>> there was no network stuff going on, but i havent been able to figure
>> it out.
>>
>> is there a good way to figure out the reason for the seemingly
>> unnecessary io? is it a configuration problem? is there a way at a low
>> level to figure out what processes are reading from or writing to the
>> disk?
>
>
>Is there a bunch of "VFS: disk change detected" messages in the logs?
>
no such messages.
every few days, i get the following in /var/log/messages, during which
the disk makes a weird sound like its not able to read a sector:
Mar 19 17:10:11 python kernel: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 {
DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Mar 19 17:10:11 python kernel: hda: read_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=52130397, sector=9124329
Mar 19 17:10:11 python kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:07
(hda), sector 9124329
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From: Jay & Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why people are doing that?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:40:26 GMT
Actually it was a couple of employes from AT&T !!
cd wrote:
>
> I have done enough research/reading to tell you the wheel to which you
> refer started with UNIX developed by Bell Labs Research in 1965.If Unix
> didn't exist-Windows possibly may never had existed.
>
--
Registered Linux user #192969
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From: "B.Y." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: What is the Gotcha with this combo?
Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:48:45 GMT
My hardware:
Tyan Thunder S1867 motherboard, including these built-in
Creative ES1373 sound chip
LSI Symbios 53C1010 2-channel Ultra160 SCSI controller
Intel EtherExpress 10/100 Ethernet
Using Serverworks' HE chipset
2x PIII/800 Slot 1
2x Kingston ValueRAM Registered ECC 256MB DIMM
40GB Fujitsu IDE UDMA HDD (5400rpm)
18GB Fujitsu SCSI Ultra2W HDD SCA with 80-68 converter (7200rpm)
640MB Fujitsu 3.5" SCSI MO
Ricoh 9060A IDE CDRW/DVD combination drive
DOMEX Ultra-SCSI controller, Avansys based, bootable
Number Nine 16MB SDRAM Revolution IV "Ticket To Ride" Video Card
Trendware RTL8139-based 4-port Hub Combination NIC
Symptoms:
SCSI HDD not detected when Red Hat 7.0 and Red Hat 6.2
CD-ROM boots. Windows 2000, Traditional Chinese version is now
installed on the IDE HDD and sees all of the items above.
Do I need a special driver? Any futher gotchas?
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From: L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Linux router
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:58:03 -0600
I think the card names are determined by the order the modules are loaded...
e.g. the first module loaded and first card initialized is eth0
There is some truth to the last statement. Sometimes two identical cards can
confuse the system, but the only time I have experienced this is under windows.
I kinda doubt you've have that problem with Linux, but it's something to be
aware of
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From: L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Linux router
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:58:51 -0600
> Also... if you're looking for a good router distribution, check out coyote
> linux at
http://www.coyotelinux.com
It's great--- ran first time wihout much trouble and freed up a hard drive to
put in my db server.
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