Linux-Setup Digest #935, Volume #20 Wed, 28 Mar 01 15:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: LILO splash screen. -- NEW QUESTION ("Jeremy Paiz")
Re: Cannot boot - Redhat 6.2+ AMD Duron 800 ("ne...")
Re: uname -r gives incorrect kernel version ("Mike Ruskai")
Re: Windows 2000 and Linux ("Alim")
Re: Windows 2000 and Linux ("Alim")
Re: Network Installations ("Jayne Heger")
Re: uname -r gives incorrect kernel version ("Mike Ruskai")
Re: uname -r gives incorrect kernel version ("Mike Ruskai")
Re: Help: Display not showing entire diesktop under some resolutions ("Stefan
Viljoen")
Re: Setting up identd ("Anthony")
ping between linux and win98 (andi smart)
Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2) (John Hong)
Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2) (John Hong)
Re: ping between linux and win98 ("Davide Bianchi")
Kernel Panicked in Multiboot Environment ("Ed")
Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2) ("Scot Mc Pherson")
Xfree, KDE and keyboard settings ("RobV")
Re: LILO splash screen. -- NEW QUESTION (Yves Bellefeuille)
Re: Monitor stats for X ("Kevin Gill")
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From: "Jeremy Paiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO splash screen. -- NEW QUESTION
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:02:17 -0500
"Henrik Farre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
> Btw. What format is the message file, if I what to replace it?
>
the "message" file is a data file (binary?), similar to "boot.b".
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JEREMY M PAIZ
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Welding Technology Corporation
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cannot boot - Redhat 6.2+ AMD Duron 800
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:10:06 GMT
On Mar 28, 2001 at 12:26, Davide Bianchi eloquently wrote:
>"Wilson Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:99t6d0$dgb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Disabling CPUID serial number.. general protection fault: 0000
>
>Well, to me seems that the problem is in the "CPUID serial number",
>try to recompile the kernel without this feature.
>
>BTW, I knew that only original INTEL cpu had the CPUID...
>am I wrong?
The PIIIs have them too. There is a boot parameter to lilo.
I believe it is 'x86_serial_nr=1'
--
Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org)
You can drive a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.
12:39pm up 11 days, 13:38, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: "Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uname -r gives incorrect kernel version
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:29:11 GMT
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:33:16 -0600, John Thompson wrote:
>Mike Ruskai wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:17:43 -0600, John Thompson wrote:
>>
>> >Mike Ruskai wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thank you for an actual explanation. I never would have guessed that LILO
>> >> ignores the file system. Not exactly a good design.
>
>> >How would it work otherwise? When your PC boots, it runs the
>> >BIOS out of ROM and the BIOS looks to the MBR on the first
>> >bootable drive. It finds lilo and runs it. Lilo runs and needs
>> >to find your kernel. At this point there is only direct,
>> >real-mode access to the HD device. Filesystem support can only
>> >come later, after the kernel is found and loaded and in turn
>> >recognizes your filesystems and mounts them. But until the
>> >kernel is loaded there is no way for your system to recognize,
>> >let alone use your filesystems.
>
>> With OS/2 and HPFS, the boot sector contains a mini-FSD for finding the
>> relevant system files.
>
>IIRC, OS/2's HPFS bootsector contains a pointer to the mini-FSD
>(OS2LDR?) which in turn allows access to the kernel, BASEDEV's
>etc. In linux, lilo's boot record contains a pointer to the
>kernel location or initrd which in turn will load the filesystem
>support. What do you see as the advantage to having a mini-FSD
>for linuix?
The boot sector functionality is probably more accurately termed
micro-FSD. It's sufficient to find OS2BOOT, which has the mini-FSD. It
does not store the physical sector location of OS2BOOT, but determines its
location from the file system.
The advantage to having this functionality is the removal of an extra step
when manipulating the location of the kernel. I'm quite sure it has
become second nature to Linux users, but that doesn't change the fact that
it can be done better.
--
- Mike
Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.
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From: "Alim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and Linux
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:21:04 +0100
> What's on hda then?
Nothing - it's spare so that if another HD needs connecting temporarily, it
is a master and not slaved to a stoopid LS120.
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From: "Alim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and Linux
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:22:05 +0100
I heard something about the map-... -to command in another post but lost
it!! It may work and I'll try it out later.
Thanks
alim
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From: "Jayne Heger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Network Installations
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:33:05 +0100
Hi there,
Just to let you know I got it working and it installed brilliantly over the
Network using NFS.
Thanks
Jayne
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Jayne Heger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hi there,
> > I have 2PC's, one which has a CDROM drive, the other does not. They both
> > have Network cards.
> > I want to be able to use the one without the CDROM drive as a
> > Router/Firewall.
> > I have ammended /etc/exports to include my CDROM as an NFS drive to my
other
> > machine
> > as below:-
> >
> > /cdrom 192.168.10.2(rw)
> > When I try to install SuSE Linux on that other computer, after I have
loaded
> > my Network Card Module and entered the NFS server IP address, when it
comes
> > to the stage of accessing the cdrom, I get the error - NFS No permission
to
> > access drive.
> > Have I missed something in the /etc/exports file???
>
> First of all, you only need (ro), not (rw) -- secondly, make sure
> everyone has permission to read (dr-xr-xr-x) the mount directory --
> thirdly, mount the CD and make sure everyone can read the files on it
> (ie, not owned and read-only by root; some "secure" distributions do
> this) -- lastly, make sure portmap is running on the server.
>
> If all that fails, then you may have an NFS version bug between the 2
> machines. I've seen it often enough that its' annoying. Check the
> logs on the server to see what nfsd thinks is going on.
>
> --
> It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uname -r gives incorrect kernel version
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:32:55 GMT
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:12:30 GMT, M. Buchenrieder wrote:
>"Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 06:59:54 GMT, M. Buchenrieder wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>>A bootloader doesn't know zilch about high-level stuff like
>>>filesystems etc. It's basically just a piece of assembler code that's
>>>supposed to know where the kernel is located on the boot
>>>medium - in abolute figures.
>
>>Under OS/2, the boot sector contains enough information to find OS2BOOT,
>>which itself contains a miniature file system implementation - enough to
>>find all system files, including the kernel, configuration file, and base
>>device drivers.
>
>Yes. But that's an unneccessarly complicated approach, and not really worth
>the hassle it would cause. After all, ALL that a bootloader does really
>need is the location of the kernel to be booted - as the kernel then
>knows all the rest, anyway. Remember the KISS principle.
It's not really complicated at all, and its implementation is the exact
opposite of a hassle - the status of the file system is what counts, not
arbitrary (with respect to the file system) sector locations stored
outside of the file system.
I'm not yet familiar enough with the Linux kernel to say whether or not
this approach would be advantageous beyond user convenience, but it
certainly helps in OS/2 - base device drivers need not be compiled into
the kernel.
--
- Mike
Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.
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From: "Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uname -r gives incorrect kernel version
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:38:56 GMT
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:25:36 GMT, Darin Johnson wrote:
>"Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Under OS/2, the boot sector contains enough information to find OS2BOOT,
>> which itself contains a miniature file system implementation - enough to
>> find all system files, including the kernel, configuration file, and base
>> device drivers.
>
>And under Linux, LILO contains enough information to find the Linux
>kernel, which knows about *everything*. Sure, it could be better, and
>some versions of UNIX have quite extensive boot loaders that can do
>all that.
>
>Solutions get complicated. The 1 sector block isn't big enough to do
>a lot of thinking, so it generally has to know enough to invoke
>something smarter. That can either mean having a fixed list of blocks
>to load, like LILO, or being able to decipher simple file systems to
>find things to run, or statically reserving a section of the disk for
>the boot loader and its use (ie, the 1 cylinder partition I used to
>use to boot up OS/2 warp).
Sorry to nitpick, but Boot Manager is not a boot loader. It does not know
how to boot any operating systems. All it knows how to do is load the
boot sector code of partitions that have been marked bootable.
>There are multistep approaches, like OS/2
>or Mach, where progressively more complex boot loaders get run. LILO
>went with a simple approach is all.
>
>Note that Linux supports a lot more varieties of filesystems than OS/2
>does too. For boot filesystems maybe ext2 is the most popular, but
>msdos, vfat, minix, and iso9660 are certainly in common use; maybe
>some people are booting off of hfs, reiserfs, sun partitions, and so
>forth. Adding filesystem support raises the question of "which
>filesystems are important enough".
Under OS/2, any file system can be made bootable under the same principles
as HPFS (provided it has EA support - OS/2's GUI requires that).
The same principle could apply to Linux, if LILO worked like OS/2's boot
loader.
As you say, it went with the simpler (to implement - not to use) approach.
>(Also LILO is a PC only boot loader, with lots of x86 assembler in
>it. Linux running on Alphas or Sparcs or PPC's don't use it.)
>
>But LILO isn't that bad. You only have to remember to run LILO
>every[time] you modify the kernel. There are other boot loaders
>out there you might want to look at, or you can write your own if
>nothing fits.
Writing my own is something to consider, but it'll have to stand in line
behind my other projects.
--
- Mike
Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.
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From: "Stefan Viljoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Help: Display not showing entire diesktop under some resolutions
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:16:58 +0200
Reply-To: "Stefan Viljoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
David J. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:ygUv6.6832$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> I am running Red Hat Linux 6.2 with Kernel 2.2.16 on a 450 Mhz PIII with
128
> MB, with XFREE86 3.3.6, using a 3dfx Voodoo3 AGP display adapter (my XF86
> Config file is attached).
>
> I am able to cycle through the four display modes using
> <ctrl><alt><numeric+> and <numeric ->.
>
> However, only with the 1600x1200 resolution is the entire desktop visible
at
> one time. Under any other video mode (640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768)
> only a fraction of the desktop is viewable at any given time. Under these
> resolutions, moving the mouse around the upper or side edge of the screen
> changes the section of the desktop that is currently viewed. This happens
> with all the window managers I've tried, including Gnome/Enlightenment and
> KDE.
>
> Is there any way to set my display (like in Windows) such that at all
> resolutions the entire desktop is visible at one time?
>
I had this problem too - there was a config option in GNOME where you can
specify the size of the virtual desktop - I can't remember the exact GNOME
menu option. I changed this to a desktop size of one screen and the problem
went away.
Stefan Viljoen
F/EMS Dispatcher
Potchefstroom F/EMS
South Africa
http://home.intekom.com/rylan/
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From: "Anthony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Setting up identd
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:53:35 GMT
"maxmutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> go to hosts.allow and hosts.deny and set up access to auth for
whatever
> config you want.
>
> Just don't do an
> ALL:ALL
>
> in hosts.allow
>
> explicitly set AUTH in there.
>
>
> That should do it.
I just gave that a try, but it didn't seem to work. I even tried
ALL:ALL (the machine is on a local network) and that had no effect on
the error.
Thanks anyway...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (andi smart)
Subject: ping between linux and win98
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:02:49 GMT
Network set up as follows:
Linux 6.1 machine 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0
Win98SE machine 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0
Netgear 5 port hub
Both ports on the hub are lit, the linux port is flashing very
quickly, so there is contact between the machines and the hub. When it
was two windows machines they connected via network neighbourhood
find, so I assume that the hub is working :-)
However neither machine is able to ping the other, ping is platform
independent so there can't be issues of them being different OS.
Ideas gratefully recieved......
thanks
"A single open mind, can open any door" Sonia Rutstein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hong)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:45:01 +0000 (UTC)
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Whats wrong with paying for SuSE Linux? Geeze, what are you? a cheap skate?
There is nothing wrong with paying for SuSE. I'm simply stating
that if one is already familiar with Red Hat/Mandrake than you might not
find the investment worth it since it is still just Linux anyways.
>no wonder investers are werry about investing in Linux business with lusers
>like you too tight to part with $US50.
You are damn right I have a problem with paying $50 for something
that I know I can get elsewhere for virtually free.
>Also, there is a lot of proprietry software included with SuSE Linux's
>Distro, for example, the configuration tool (Yast2 and Yast1) are not open
>source, also, there is some other packages that can't be freely distributed.
>So, before you open your big gob, survey the situation first.
I have. Yast is nice. If you were to kindly actually read my
whole post you would have found that I said there was nothing wrong with
SuSE. They do have a good distribution. But if you already familar with
Red Hat/Mandrake, again, I'll say again you may not find spending the
money on SuSE to be worth it when you could get it the same for almost
free.
Perhaps it is you who should survey the situation first, as in my
post, before opening *your* big gob.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hong)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:41:12 +0000 (UTC)
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>SuSE usually wait 6 weeks or more before making publicly available
>downloadable versions of their product.
They have a publically downloadable version of SuSE 7.1 *right
now*. The thing is, you can not actually install it on your machine. It
will only run from a bootable CDROM and no more. To actually get SuSE 7.1
you have to purchase either the Personal or Professional edition.
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From: "Davide Bianchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ping between linux and win98
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:08:20 -0800
"andi smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Linux 6.1 machine 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0
> Win98SE machine 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0
> Netgear 5 port hub
Are you doing a ping 192.168.1.2 and what's the
response ?
Is the network card up&running? If you type
/sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/route -n what's the response?
Davide
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From: "Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel Panicked in Multiboot Environment
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:15:04 -0500
Does anyone know if my Linux system can be recovered. I'm getting messages
something like this:
"Invalid session number or type of track."
"Kernel panic. VFS: unable to mount root on 03:05."
I did something stupid to cause this. I expanded my extended partition
where Linux resides, adding a new logical partition to the front.
One other thing. I was never able to make a Linux boot diskette. I couldn't
figure out the command. I have my Mandrake CD though. And I have Win2K Pro
and WinMe working in primary partitions. And I have PartitionMagic 6.0 and
BootMagic working.
I hoping I don't have to delete the new logical partition because it has
four GB of data in it now.
TIA
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From: "Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:23:42 GMT
I definately agree with John's RedHat already installed statement. If you
have ANY working version of linux running on your systems, it would not make
sense to re-install the same distro let alone change to a vastly different
distribution. Once a system is up and running and has been configured for
use, you end up create a LOT of work for yourself by starting again. Sure
you back some stuff up and restore, and that might be fine for same distro
re-install, but changing distros makes that task just as hard as restoring
the configuration manually.
I also wouldn't suggest switching from ANY distro to SuSE on a production
box that has any level of time invested in it...Including as limited as a
few days. Its just often a risk of creating a LOT of work.
On the other hand, if you DO have RedHat and you are buying a NEW machine
with a brand new install and never been configured...YES is would suggest
that you buy SuSE, Debian or Slackware, but I wouldn't suggest RedHat7 at
the moment...Perhaps when they get it patched up nicely and back into LBS. I
happen to like RedHat up to version 6.2.
--
Scot Mc Pherson
N27� 19' 56"
W82� 30' 39"
"John Hong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:99tbfd$31n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Whats wrong with paying for SuSE Linux? Geeze, what are you? a cheap
skate?
>
> There is nothing wrong with paying for SuSE. I'm simply stating
> that if one is already familiar with Red Hat/Mandrake than you might not
> find the investment worth it since it is still just Linux anyways.
>
> >no wonder investers are werry about investing in Linux business with
lusers
> >like you too tight to part with $US50.
>
> You are damn right I have a problem with paying $50 for something
> that I know I can get elsewhere for virtually free.
>
> >Also, there is a lot of proprietry software included with SuSE Linux's
> >Distro, for example, the configuration tool (Yast2 and Yast1) are not
open
> >source, also, there is some other packages that can't be freely
distributed.
> >So, before you open your big gob, survey the situation first.
>
> I have. Yast is nice. If you were to kindly actually read my
> whole post you would have found that I said there was nothing wrong with
> SuSE. They do have a good distribution. But if you already familar with
> Red Hat/Mandrake, again, I'll say again you may not find spending the
> money on SuSE to be worth it when you could get it the same for almost
> free.
> Perhaps it is you who should survey the situation first, as in my
> post, before opening *your* big gob.
>
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From: "RobV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Xfree, KDE and keyboard settings
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:23:50 +0200
Who can please help me how to configure a dutch keyboard layout? Or maybe
where to find it.
Thank you very much beforehand,
RobV
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yves Bellefeuille)
Subject: Re: LILO splash screen. -- NEW QUESTION
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:58:48 -0500
Reply-To: Yves Bellefeuille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, "Jeremy Paiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i just installed redhat 7 also, and i was wondering if i could get rid of
> the graphical lilo interface by removing the "message" entries in my
> lilo.conf. i would rather use the text mode.
Sure, just remove the "message" line in /etc/lilo.conf and run
/sbin/lilo.
--
Yves Bellefeuille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ottawa, Canada
Francais / English / Esperanto
Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html
Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq
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From: "Kevin Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Monitor stats for X
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:59:51 -0800
"John Pfaff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:99t8h1$nd8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> A couple of places to try:
> http://www.monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html
> http://www.griffintechnology.com/monitor.html
> http://ms.ha.md.us/~hawks/hardware/monitor.html
>
> --
> John Pfaff - KA3RVE
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Registered with the Linux Counter.
> http://counter.li.org
> ID # 39256
>
Unfortunately, none of these sites list the C507L
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