Linux-Setup Digest #262, Volume #21 Sat, 19 May 01 10:13:09 EDT
Contents:
My Xwindows taskbar is not coming up, once i installed the ucdsnmp?
("v.nagasrinivas")
Re: Why oh why (disk partitioning) ("Duane Healing")
Re: Mandrake 7, I gave up trying - Windows actually WORKS ("Joe Bean")
Who to install a .gz.tar file? (Lamar Thomas)
Re: Boot up problem ("eric")
create your own GNU/linux distribution on 3 floppies (Chris Majewski)
Re: Mandrake 7, I gave up trying - Windows actually WORKS (Jim Cochrane)
Re: linux install laptop (Huw Lynes)
Re: Newbie question, where does lilo/grub reside? (Huw Lynes)
Re: Red Hat Update Trouble. (Markku Kolkka)
Re: Newbie question, where does lilo/grub reside? (Caroline)
prevent chane of resolv.conf ("Eric Chow")
Re: prevent chane of resolv.conf (H.Bruijn)
Re: Mandrake 7, I gave up trying - Windows actually WORKS (DanH)
Re: Mandrake 7, I gave up trying - Windows actually WORKS (Jerry Kreps)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("v.nagasrinivas")
Subject: My Xwindows taskbar is not coming up, once i installed the ucdsnmp?
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 05:11:25 +0000 (UTC)
Hi,
I just installed ucdsnmp package?
And then restarted the machine inorder to start the
snmpd..
But when i am doing startx, the xwindows
is not showing (or not coming up with) taskbar.
Can any one help how to repair, I am using SuSE 6.3 and
KDE version 1.1.2
thanks in advance,
regards,
srinivas.
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From: "Duane Healing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why oh why (disk partitioning)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 05:12:40 GMT
What, pr0n in /var? Preposterous! Is that in the LSB?
That belongs in /usr/share or /usr/local/share doesn't it? ;^)
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-Duane
-DNAware SoftLabs
In a feverish moment of semi-lucidity, "Angry Bob"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flailed at the keyboard thusly:
> What would you like to read? [[EMAIL PROTECTED] or ?*] this is a
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] scroll! it says:
>> I would advise the original poster to have a careful think about what
>> "data" and programs are to be installed initially, and how that might
>> change over time. Base your partitioning scheme on this. Two people
>> with exactly the same specification of PC will probably want different
>> partitioning schemes because they will be using the PC differently.
> This is true, linux is about sculpting the OS to fit your needs, not the
> other way around. For example, I need a huge /var on my home machine
> for pr0n, but I only need to mirror a couple webpages on my machine at
> work.... <grin>
> (yeah, I know, but it's friday!)
>
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From: "Joe Bean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7, I gave up trying - Windows actually WORKS
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:10:38 -0700
Maybe the guy isn't a 1337 H@X0R like you guys and maybe he is just a
average Joe. Am about ready to give up playing around with Mandrake 8.0 and
go back to Windows myself. Hell I'll be the first to admit am a newbie to
Linux and all ( 3 months of messing with Linux ) but it seems to me from
right off the bat that Linux distro's that claim to be working towards ease
of use have a longs way to go. You know not everything worth using has to be
mind numbly difficult or overly complex. There's a lot of things I like
about Linux like the freedom of development it allows programmers to access
the OS so they can build apps that work without the added layer of junk
coding that MS has and the it's reliable networking and fast TCP/IP stacks.
Despite those pros I think for average people like me who do not have the
time and patience to wade through vast amount of reading material just to
get a video card or network card to work. MS Windows allows us to get a lot
done without having to get or hands dirty. To me this is kind of like the
difference between people who like fixing and customizing there own car and
the people who like taking there cars to their local mechanic to fix it. For
some it maybe fun or just a hobby and even a way to make money but for
others who do not have the know how, knowledge or time to learn how to do
such things. Having someone else do the hard work for us is whole lot easier
and covenant.
P.S. You ELITIST LINUX ( not everyone here. ) USERS can me flame all you
want for my opinion but I don't care.
"Don Hinds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3VeN6.1045$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I basically quit even trying to get Mandrake 7 to work properly.
>
> 1) I can boot GUI, but in non-gui, even in FAILSAFE it locks up with a
Kernel
> Panic.
>
> 2) There is no option to use a modem (Linux USB supported modem) on USB
> port, or perhaps I should say there is no option to use USB for the modem.
> There are 4 (as I recall) port options for modem including serial, but USB
is
> not on the list.
>
> 3) Corel WP will not install. Not the one on the Mandrake 6.5 CD, nor the
one
> on Corel website. I get a load of directories or path not found errors.
>
> 4) Corel PhotoPaint installs but gives a FontTastic (missing) error when I
try
> to run it. I tried the Corel website and UK Linux User CD versions.
>
> I've posted all these problems in more detail in the past, but no one has
any
> workable answers. ;-(
>
> If I can't acutally USE Linux, it doesn't matter a whole lot if it doesn't
> crash. Windows 95/98/ME may crash a lot, but between times IT WORKS!
>
> Don
>
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From: Lamar Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Who to install a .gz.tar file?
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 07:15:27 GMT
I am running RH 7.1 on an Intel system. I am trying to get me CDRW
working and the "CD-Writing-HOWTO" said that I needed to download and
install "mkisofs". Well I downloaded it but I can't seem to find a way
to install it. I ran the commands: "gunzip filename.gz" and "tar -xvf
filename.tar" and extracted the files. Now what? Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Lamar
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From: "eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Boot up problem
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:28:06 +0800
So...any suggested solution to solve this kind of problem?? I want to boot
up my server and get back the files.
"David Efflandt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ���g��l��
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 19 May 2001 00:34:27 +0800, eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > After I typed "reboot -n", I want to login again, but after I type the
user
> > name, the server doesn't prompt for password. And when I press
> > "Ctrl+Alt+Del", the following message is displayed :
> >
> > "You don't exist...Go away"
> >
> > Can anyone help me to solve this problem??
>
> You might try using the proper command. You should not normally use
> reboot or halt directly, and the -n switch tells it to not sync before
> rebooting, so I imagine something gets corrupted. Instead try:
>
> shutdown -r now
>
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From: Chris Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: create your own GNU/linux distribution on 3 floppies
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 07:56:00 +0000 (UTC)
Uses syslinux, busybox, and make.
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~majewski/giab/
-chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7, I gave up trying - Windows actually WORKS
Date: 19 May 2001 02:18:00 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Maybe the guy isn't a 1337 H@X0R like you guys and maybe he is just a
>average Joe. Am about ready to give up playing around with Mandrake 8.0 and
>go back to Windows myself. Hell I'll be the first to admit am a newbie to
>Linux and all ( 3 months of messing with Linux ) but it seems to me from
>right off the bat that Linux distro's that claim to be working towards ease
>of use have a longs way to go. You know not everything worth using has to be
>mind numbly difficult or overly complex. There's a lot of things I like
>about Linux like the freedom of development it allows programmers to access
>the OS so they can build apps that work without the added layer of junk
>coding that MS has and the it's reliable networking and fast TCP/IP stacks.
>Despite those pros I think for average people like me who do not have the
>time and patience to wade through vast amount of reading material just to
>get a video card or network card to work. MS Windows allows us to get a lot
>done without having to get or hands dirty. To me this is kind of like the
>difference between people who like fixing and customizing there own car and
>the people who like taking there cars to their local mechanic to fix it. For
>some it maybe fun or just a hobby and even a way to make money but for
>others who do not have the know how, knowledge or time to learn how to do
>such things. Having someone else do the hard work for us is whole lot easier
>and covenant.
>
>
>P.S. You ELITIST LINUX ( not everyone here. ) USERS can me flame all you
>want for my opinion but I don't care.
Sounds like a pretty reasonable opinion to me.
I think most current Linux distributions have a GUI-based video setup
program that makes it pretty easy to get X working with many (perpaps most)
video cards and monitors, but I'm sure there are some configurations that
need hand setup or tuning. This is one of MS's advantages - that they have
so much market share any video card manufacturer that wants to do well must
provide a good driver that works under Windows.
In some cases, if you know a good Linux expert and are willing to pay for
it, you can hire him or her to deal with the hard issues and get Linux working
for you. It all depends on your priorities. I'm sure for some it turns
out that the best solution is to stay with Windows. Hopefully, as Linux
becomes easier to use as time passes, this will be the case for less and
less people - that is, people only stay with Windows because they prefer it
rather than that they find Linux too daunting.
>
>"Don Hinds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:3VeN6.1045$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I basically quit even trying to get Mandrake 7 to work properly.
>>
>> 1) I can boot GUI, but in non-gui, even in FAILSAFE it locks up with a
>Kernel
>> Panic.
>>
>> 2) There is no option to use a modem (Linux USB supported modem) on USB
>> port, or perhaps I should say there is no option to use USB for the modem.
>> There are 4 (as I recall) port options for modem including serial, but USB
>is
>> not on the list.
>>
>> 3) Corel WP will not install. Not the one on the Mandrake 6.5 CD, nor the
>one
>> on Corel website. I get a load of directories or path not found errors.
>>
>> 4) Corel PhotoPaint installs but gives a FontTastic (missing) error when I
>try
>> to run it. I tried the Corel website and UK Linux User CD versions.
>>
>> I've posted all these problems in more detail in the past, but no one has
>any
>> workable answers. ;-(
>>
>> If I can't acutally USE Linux, it doesn't matter a whole lot if it doesn't
>> crash. Windows 95/98/ME may crash a lot, but between times IT WORKS!
>>
>> Don
>>
>
>
--
Jim Cochrane
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Huw Lynes)
Subject: Re: linux install laptop
Date: 19 May 2001 08:42:37 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, william wrote:
>I have corel linux 2nd edition cd. I can make a boot disk but when I
>boot, the word lilo comes up,then my screen fills up with a window and it
>says "loading corel linux" then under that it says "starting corel linux"
>and then it freezes, nothing,zilch,nada.
What sort of laptop is this. I suspect the install process is
freezing at the point of going to the CD. This is generally because
old laptops can have "not-quite standard" CD drives. You may have to
install over NFS or PLIP.
Huw
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Huw Lynes)
Subject: Re: Newbie question, where does lilo/grub reside?
Date: 19 May 2001 08:50:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Caroline wrote:
>I have installed LM8.0 double boot with my W2K. First partition is w2k
>and second is linux. During the installation, when it asked me where I
>want the lilo/grub to be written, I selected /dev/hda. I bought
>recently another drive which I am thinking of installing linux and leave
>my other drive for windows (only 3.8GB). I deleted the linux partition
>(using partition magic 6.01) and resized my windows partition and reboot
>my pc, I still get the graphical lilo/grub. I tried using the partition
>magic rescue disk (fdisk utility) by typing fdisk /mbr but it didn't
>help. I deleted, formatted the whole drive, installed w2k twice already
>but I still get the same graphical lilo/grub thing. Any professional
>advise how to remove it permanently and where does this lilo/grub
>reside?
>
To get rid of the bootmanager in this case:
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=10 should wipe things that are
sitting on the MBR of hda. Don't know about grup but lilo has
an uninstall command:- lilo -U (I think)
However as far as I know removing the boot manager will not make
windows boot because the mbr is now empty. So you will either
have to set up the boot manager so that it will boot windows
automatically or reinstall windows so that it puts its own boot
manager in the MBR.
HTH
Huw
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From: Markku Kolkka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Red Hat Update Trouble.
Date: 19 May 2001 11:36:25 +0300
Herbert Plaxe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have no idea what to do now. I've followed all of their instructions and I
> still can't get the thing to work properly.
Start by updating the up2date package itself, the current version can
resolve the dependency problems.
See: http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHBA-2001-048.html
--
Markku Kolkka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Caroline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie question, where does lilo/grub reside?
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:31:22 +0400
Huw,
This means I have to install back LM8.0 in the same drive to be able to issue
that command?
Caroline
Huw Lynes wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Caroline wrote:
> >I have installed LM8.0 double boot with my W2K. First partition is w2k
> >and second is linux. During the installation, when it asked me where I
> >want the lilo/grub to be written, I selected /dev/hda. I bought
> >recently another drive which I am thinking of installing linux and leave
> >my other drive for windows (only 3.8GB). I deleted the linux partition
> >(using partition magic 6.01) and resized my windows partition and reboot
> >my pc, I still get the graphical lilo/grub. I tried using the partition
> >magic rescue disk (fdisk utility) by typing fdisk /mbr but it didn't
> >help. I deleted, formatted the whole drive, installed w2k twice already
> >but I still get the same graphical lilo/grub thing. Any professional
> >advise how to remove it permanently and where does this lilo/grub
> >reside?
> >
> To get rid of the bootmanager in this case:
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=10 should wipe things that are
> sitting on the MBR of hda. Don't know about grup but lilo has
> an uninstall command:- lilo -U (I think)
>
> However as far as I know removing the boot manager will not make
> windows boot because the mbr is now empty. So you will either
> have to set up the boot manager so that it will boot windows
> automatically or reinstall windows so that it puts its own boot
> manager in the MBR.
>
> HTH
>
> Huw
>
> --
> To reply you know what "dot" should really be.
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From: "Eric Chow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: prevent chane of resolv.conf
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:41:03 +0800
Hello,
Would you please to tell me how to prevent changing of the resolv.conf ?
After I dial-up to the ISP, the /etc/resolv.conf always change. How to
prevent this ?
Best regards,
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
Subject: Re: prevent chane of resolv.conf
Date: 19 May 2001 11:10:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 19 May 2001 18:41:03 +0800, Eric Chow allegedly wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Would you please to tell me how to prevent changing of the resolv.conf ?
>
> After I dial-up to the ISP, the /etc/resolv.conf always change. How to
> prevent this ?
Either make the file read-only, with the command
"chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf" or you can make the file completely
immutable by changing the file attributes "chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf"
Use "ls -l /etc/resolv.conf" respectively "lsattr /etc/resolv.conf" to
confirm those settings.
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From: DanH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7, I gave up trying - Windows actually WORKS
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 07:11:01 -0400
Joe Bean wrote:
>
> Maybe the guy isn't a 1337 H@X0R like you guys and maybe he is just a
> average Joe. Am about ready to give up playing around with Mandrake 8.0 and
> go back to Windows myself. Hell I'll be the first to admit am a newbie to
> Linux and all ( 3 months of messing with Linux ) but it seems to me from
> right off the bat that Linux distro's that claim to be working towards ease
> of use have a longs way to go. You know not everything worth using has to be
> mind numbly difficult or overly complex.
Go on. Use the OS that you feel more comfortable with. It's about
choice, you choose for yourself, I'll choose for myself and the people
down the street will choose for themselves.
Enjoy. We'll still be here if you should try again later.
DanH
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From: Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7, I gave up trying - Windows actually WORKS
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 08:23:16 -0500
Don Hinds wrote:
> I basically quit even trying to get Mandrake 7 to work properly.
> If I can't acutally USE Linux, it doesn't matter a whole lot if it
> doesn't crash. Windows 95/98/ME may crash a lot, but between
>times IT WORKS!
I've been using Linux since 1996. I got into it using the book by Bill
Ball called "Learning Linux in 24 Hours". It had a copy of RH 5.0 on CD in
the back of the book. That was an OK distro. I got curious about other
distros and tried SuSE 5.3. The difference in the quality of engineering
was 'night & day'! I've been with SuSE since then. I tried RH 6.0, 6.1,
and Mandrake 7.0 and 7.1 just to see how they've improved. People's milage
will vary but I've found SuSE is still the best distro. Both RH and
Mandrake's recent distro's are infamous for 'pioneering'. RH tried a new
version of gcc and ended up with a lot of broken stuff for a lot of folks.
Mandrakes quality has declined from the time when they simply took the
latest RH distro and removed the bugs. When they actually started creating
their own distro from scratch the bug jumped back in big time. I have
three computers here at home. SuSE 7.1 slips onto my old P166 Sony VAIO
like a silk glove. I have to struggle a bit with my brand new Athlon 1GHz,
512MB box with a Zip250 and an ATPI CDROM.
To be fair to both RH, Mandrake and SuSE, and assuming you are not a
Microsoftie troll, you have ventured into Linux during a time of massive
changes:
1) The kernel change from 2.2.x to 2.4.x.
2) The change between xfree83 versions: 3.x to 4.x.
3) The change between KDE1 and KDE2 and Qt versions
4) The changes in GNOME
5) The changes in the gcc compiler
6) And then there is always the problem of video graphics, usually on new
PCs. The mfgr won't publish the specs but, as usually, MS already has them.
7) New printers also are problematic because of unavailability of
published specs or mfgr supplied drivers. Some older printers have never
been supported.
'Being supported' is the clue. Even Win2K won't run on some hardware, and
documentation advises either a check of the hardware compatibility list or
running of a test program to determine Win2K compatibility. I did the
latter on my workstation, getting the ok signal. Even then Win2K failed to
install on my workstation until I removed the HP 8200i RW CDROM that I had
been using under Win98SE.
That course of action is also recommended when installing Linux. SuSE, for
example, maintains a 'supported hardware' database on their site. They
also include patches for specific hardware and software problems. If you
fail to consult this information prior to installing SuSE your are playing
'Russian Roulette' with the install.
Anyway, I expect to see a lot of installation woes for various distros of
Linux through the rest of the year. I think by XMas most of these version
change problems and associated bugs will be ironed out. Just about in
time for folks to get tired of XP licensing atrocities and cause the river
of disgruntled Microsurfties to turn into a flood of Linux newbies. Like
any dynamic relationship, however, there will be forward and backward rates
of movement, and they will change over time and with the temperature
(excitement over news and PR events). In the end the WinXX ---> Linux
rate will prove to be the larger and yield a hugh amount of Gibbs Free
Energy (cash that can be used for other purposes besides license fees or
pay-per-use schemes, and docment formats that don't become incompatible
between versions).
For those who move back to Gates high-rent apartments... good luck. I hope
you have lots of 'disposable income' and the Russian crackers don't find
your property of any value. You aren't storing your SSN and CC numbers on
the .NET are you? Risky move.
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