On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 01:13:35PM +0400, Dmitriy B. wrote: > Been thinking to bring this up for a long time ago. So here we go.
Why have you been silent then? > > > These days, we're three of us doing some work, including fixing > > existing bugs, maintaining the code, etc. > > > > That, and I'm not sure that focusing on a five years old SoCs while > > ignoring any new SoC is the right policy. linux-sunxi did that with > > the A31, look at where it is now. > > I don't see thousands of A31 boards users eagerly waiting for > mainline. I don't see thousands of A10s boards users eagerly waiting for mainline either. I don't even see the point you're trying to make actually. > > Sure, the A10 works great. How many A10-based devices went out > > last year? > > Support is about having a active userbase, not new devices everyday. And there surely is no correlation between the two... > > BUT, it's true that we still have a partial support for the older > > SoCs. There's still no display support, no audio support. And anyone > > is very welcome to contribute or help in that effort. > > > > But unless you're giving us our paycheck, you don't get to order us > > what to work on and what not. > > Honestly, this approach is very wrong on many levels (don't ask why) and > please, speak on behalf of free-electrons only, if you have paycheck from > them. Even more honestly, please leave my employer out of this. All the work I've done and all the opinions I express here are mine and mine alone. > No one is ordering you anything, this is a public ML about linux for sunxi, > and Stefan expressed his point of view as a A10/A20 user. Maybe some one > will pick up Turl's work. I'm sorry, but he clearly told that we were doing it wrong. > > But there's also two things to consider: > > - People with A31/A23/A80 have no other alternative than the > > Allwinner kernel. Do we really want to leave these users out in > > the cold? I don't. > > These people chose that way by buying those and you (and F-E) are not going > to provide same level of feature coverage in mainline anyways (because NDAs > for some of the new IPs, PVR, very short lifecycle of the SoC and etc.). Again, leave my employer out of this. And then, I could use the exact same argument. You bought some A10 / A20 devices back at a time where there was *no* mainline support. You knew what you were buying then, so you don't really expect any kind of feature coverage from mainline, right? We both know that this argument is dumb and bogus. > > - Adding a new SoC support is pretty cheap > > And sort of useless without thousands of human hours figuring out > new SoC. Not really. Most of the SoCs so far have been very similar, except between A20/A31 (and to some extent A31/A80). Figuring them out and enabling features already supported is just usually a matter of a couple of days. Figuring out a how a new IP block works and how to write a driver for it takes much more time, time that we don't currently have. Maxime -- Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering http://free-electrons.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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