Hi, On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:57:38 +0200 Simos Xenitellis <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear S.J.R., > > Thanks for taking the time to reply in detail. Perhaps you are right > about linux-exynos. > No, actually I accept you are right. In a war of attrition, it's bound > to get to such results.
Simos, you demonstrated to have some misunderstanding about who is who or what is what, maybe would be better to slow down, and know each others better. I don't understand the meaning of "war of attrition", can you explain? > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:47 PM, S.J.R. van Schaik > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Concerning the linux-sunxi wiki, if you want to get somewhere, then > > first of all stop throwing a bunch > > of argumenta ad hominem into an e-mail to a public mailing list. It > > simply won't get you anywhere. > > Rather than editing the wiki as you see fit, it is usually better > > to address the issues of the wiki, propose > > some changes and talk about your proposal with active members of the > > community, such as Luc. I am > > quite sure that if you do this properly, that you can reach a point > > of consensus in that regard. > > Community building is not about blaming one single person within a > > community, it is a matter of > > working as a community, talking to each other, and trying to get > > somewhere. > > > > It's great to work with consensus. If everyone plays nice and you are > happy to apologize > if something goes wrong, is perfect for the ideal community. Agree, but here, i put a mirror and invite you to look at the way you are interacting with this "community", and if that will make more near this "ideal community" that you, i, and all, wish for. > For the case of the sunxi wiki, I would like to ask you whether there > was a discussion > or a consensus when parts about "GPL violations" were added to There was talk at irc, sporadic talking during if not mistaken (but there are the irc logs) around may-july of last year (but as said there is the logs) About consensus. The matter of license issues is a dirty work that some people don't like to get involved, so they stay silent. And this makes that are always the same people that will take this task for them selfs (because others just stay silent), this dirty business. > several places. In addition, the text around the "GPL violations" was > far from neutral, which Also, the main page of the wiki features the > text "Allwinner does not actively participate in > or support this community. In fact, it is violating the GPLv2 license > in several ways > and has so far not shown willingness to resolve this." > That's a big statement to make. > The http://linux-sunxi.org/Talk:Main_Page does not mention any > relevant discussion for that statement. It is a wiki, maybe you could start this discussion? Because nobody did, and you are the first to show this concern. Or even better, do here in this maillist in a new thread. Because with the recent "does" by allwinner, i was already starting thinking to bring this point that those statement most be updated to reflect the recent events. But, as you can see the http://linux-sunxi.org/GPL_Violations page is been actualized. > > > Finally, if you don't like how someone is reacting to you, then > > remember that it is hard to read > > someone's feelings from an e-mail, and that you can always change > > your own approach to get a > > different reaction. In the worst case you have to let it rest for a > > while, instead of adding more fuel to > > the blazing fire. That way you also get yourself some time to think > > about it. > > > > I think the current situation is that of a stalemate. This fire has > been burning for more than six months, with no attempts of an > intervention. I do not think it is something that will be forgotten > or attitudes will change. Sometimes is just better to forget, to not make things worst in the future. > > I think I can read the feelings from an e-mail, and get a good picture > from several emails. > By reading the mail titled "Formal request for source code for LGPL > licensed software", That was a joke mail, in response to the joke that allwinner gave us when allwinner added the LGPL license to source code that includes a binary accused of being in noncompliance. > I can see that the text is very hard to read. The text makes sense to > the writer but it's the reader who is important. > If those previous e-mails were written in the same way, I can fully > understand why they were ineffective. > Getting no result from those requests to resolve violations, is > frustrating. And it's frustrating > enough that it becomes emotional, and it was has led to the current > situation. Personally I would help a friend of mine not to get stuck > in such a situation. I also would help every friend of mine, by not blame them as the only responsibles of a situation that wasn't caused or started by their actions. > > A more proactive attitude would be to get to a statement like > 1. any license violation to free/opensource software is unacceptable 100% agree, this is supposed to be an open source community, that should not be used as an excuse to disregard licenses issues. And as so, as all the rest, this licenses issues was documented, that they exist. > 2. there are cases of "avoidable" violations. What do we do there? > Select a direction and follow it. I don't understand this meaning of "avoidable". > 3. pursuing GPL violations on the linux-sunxi mailing list is > unacceptable. If you have a case, then sue (the right target). As > others mentioned (and their message was drown out), I don't know about the unacceptable. This mailing list has a dual role for developers and users. I think whatever that what is happening in the sunxi world should be informed to the ones with interest. > try to get the support of something like the SFC so that they can > evaluate the merits of pursuing. > And then the SFC would do the talking. I heared (but don't have the details), and this looks to be true. SFC or someone from SFC is aware of this issue. But maybe others can make this more clear. But nobody is here to sue, (why do i have to keep saying this) i think i can speak for all and say that we want to resolve this in a friendly way, but for that, there most be dialog between parties. Not excuse to ignore the issues. And Simos look at the news, with SFC and vmware, look at the time it took and no result. -- thanks for reading -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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