On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 10:26 +0200, Andreas Baierl wrote:
> Am 11.07.2017 um 09:49 schrieb Paul Kocialkowski:
> > On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 08:20 +0200, Andreas Baierl wrote:
> > > Am 07.07.2017 um 18:19 schrieb Jonathan Olson:
> > > > I see that all the video codecs for the CedarX libraries are
> > > > contained in binary libcedar_plugin_venc.so and
> > > > libcedar_plugin_vd_others.so.  However the CedarX-12.06.2015
> > > > repository only contains 32-bit armv7 libraries.
> > > > 
> > > > Are there any 64-bit armv8 CedarX plugin libraries which could
> > > > work
> > > > on the new Allwinner H5?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > >   This community including its mailing list does not support any
> > > CedarX
> > > libraries originating from Allwinner. Please check the wiki,
> > > starting
> > > here: http://linux-sunxi.org/Cedar_Engine . Search for "cedrus".
> > > This
> > > is what the community is working on/with.
> > > And no, i don't know of any other closed source library blobs from
> > > Allwinner. Allwinner does not care about endusers and software
> > > support
> > > either.
> > > 
> > > Btw, people asking for and using doubtful blobs provided by
> > > Allwinner
> > > are one of the reasons, why the open source driver seems to be
> > > stalled
> > > for such a long time... As long as everybody is satisfied with
> > > Allwinner stuff, there simply seems to be no need and motivation
> > > to
> > > finish that work.
> > 
> > While I agree with you that this attitude goes against creating a
> > strong
> > incentive for the liberation of the video engine, please keep in
> > mind
> > that this is a personal decision. It is not very fair to blame
> > someone
> > because they decided that they need something that works as soon as
> > possible, for reasons that you totally ignore and do that not
> > concern
> > you in any way. Please respect other's decisions that primarily
> > affect
> > themselves, even though they do have a "drop in the ocean" effect on
> > the
> > big picture.
> > 
> > The community is indeed not providing support for any of the
> > proprietary
> > mess that comes out of Allwinner, but it is not a reason to be blame
> > those that wish to use that. Frankly, I find this attitude a bit
> > disrespectful.
> 
> It is indeed a personal decision primarily. And it was not my
> intention 
> to blame anyone at all. It's everybody's own choice to choose the way
> to 
> go forward.
> Btw, as i began to start dealing with Allwinner i also used the blobs
> to 
> get XBMC run. I never cared about GPL and the community (which was in 
> the beginning, though). I just wanted to have something, that works.
> As 
> soon as possible. But my mind changed during times...
> 
> The reason, why i answer on such postings at all is, because i think, 
> that there are many people - call them endusers - outside, that do
> not 
> even know about cedrus and about the Allwinner story regarding CedarX
> at 
> all. My only goal is, to draw at least a part of the big picture.

Yes, it is a quite useful thing to do.

> Every individual can do what it wants. Questions like the above pop
> up 
> every ~ half year, but i can't remember any question at all, that
> states 
> like "How is the cedrus open source effort going on? Will there ever
> be 
> a kernel driver for the video engine? I'd prefer that instead of
> using 
> Allwinner blobs. But sadly, for my purpose, i have to go with
> Allwinner..."
> 
> In summary, i should have better answered:
> "No, i don't know of any 64bit libraries, but you can try to use 
> libvdpau-sunxi. What is your goal at all?"
> 
> I did it the other way, but it was not my intention to blame anyone.

Well, I think I was a bit harsh in my answer, too. What I wanted to do
is take the occasion to point out is the attitude in general because it
felt like you were leaning towards it a bit, but now I see that you
obviously didn't go as far as really blaming them.

I mostly took the opportunity to express this concern, which I whitness
more and more often.

Thanks for clarifying things and I'm glad you didn't take my (harsh)
answer the wrong way!

-- 
Paul Kocialkowski,

developer of free digital technology and hardware support

Website: https://www.paulk.fr/
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