Strong personalities don't always make for tranquillity, but they can produce a lot of valuable output.
If you have a usb-storage (standard) device, this changes don't effect you, does it? When I buy something I look to see what is supported by a manufacturer. THe one (well two) items I've bought that do have closed-source drivers are graphics cards (I've bought one each from NVidia and ATI to not favour one or the other). There doesn't seem to be a good one that has completely open-source accelerated drivers. On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 27 August 2004 13:42, Stephen J. Gowdy wrote: > >Webcam with batteries.. guess I don't get it. > > Note I didn't say it was a webcam. Its a digital zoom 3.2 megapixel > normal digital + zoom lens camera I paid over $500 USD for 2 years > ago. Thanks to its ubiticus(sp) usb connector, and the usb > libraries, its a normal vfat file system I can mount just as if it > was a small M$ (shudder) hard drive whose capacity is whatever > smartcard I've got plugged into it at the time. > > No, a webcam it ain't, by about 2+ pounds hanging on my neck. > > The part that you aren't getting is that A: That was apparently a > pretty good webcam, and B: It was (till Nemosoft got something? > caught crossways over losing his hook into kernel space for the > binaries whose srcs are not GPL'd) the ONLY webcam with linux > drivers, and now we are, as they say in Vegas, shit out of luck. > > The pissing match then got rapidly out of hand because of what the > majority of the users feel was an arbitrary 'take out the kernel > space binary hook' which in turn required some re-writing on > Nemosofts part in order to work around it entirely in user space. > Nemosoft refused to do it, and instead pulled the code totally after > some pretty hard insults vis-a-vis the parallel commercial > developement aspects of the code were traded back and forth in the > heat of the argument. > > Now, does that clarify the situation sufficiently? > > Sorry about the language, my half-a$$ed apologies to the list, but > thats how it seems to this old fart. There weren't any voices for > soothing sanity in the middle of that dogfight, it was over and done > with before most of us realised the fight was on, all in the space of > maybe 2 hours. Sigh... > > >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Friday 27 August 2004 12:33, Stephen J. Gowdy wrote: > >> >Why not buy something that works instead of some hardware that > >> > the manufacturer won't let people write drivers for? > >> > >> You missed the point Stephen. That point was that so far, this > >> was the only "webcam" camera that actually worked with linux. > >> Lots of other more prosaicly normal digital cameras, like my > >> Olympus C3020, work just fine albeit its unmitigated hell on > >> batteries by the pocket full. I don't go anyplace without at > >> least 2 spare 4 packs of AA's. > >> > >> Now, I'm not smart enough to write a driver for one of those, and > >> I've got a very small Logitech paperweight here that I'd like to > >> make work myself. A ClickSmart 310. > >> > >> If you are, then jump right in, the water is usually fine... And > >> we will then beat a path to your door for that better mousetrap. > >> > >> >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Joshua Pollak wrote: > >> >> Ok, whats the deal with this? > >> >> > >> >> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8127 > >> >> > >> >> http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ > >> >> > >> >> [rant] > >> >> Open Source is great, there's nothing more important. But when > >> >> a company like Phillips only allows a 50/50 compromise, you've > >> >> got to go with it. Preventing the PWC developer from hooking to > >> >> a binary module could cause a large blow to adopting Linux on > >> >> the desktop. > >> >> > >> >> How can Distro-producers market Linux to consumers who want to > >> >> do video conferencing if they can't support the most common > >> >> webcams on the market? > >> >> > >> >> How am I supposed to keep Linux in use at my computer vision > >> >> company when we rely on these webcams for data capture and > >> >> testing, and now we can't use them? Its a hard enough battle > >> >> proving Linux's strong points to the administrators, now I have > >> >> to counter a major, self inflicted downside. > >> >> > >> >> Brilliant strategy for furthering Linux's goals. > >> >> > >> >> This is taking ideology too far, what's next, banning > >> >> commercial software and binary only programs from user-space > >> >> too? [/rant] > >> >> > >> >> -Josh > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop > >> >> FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > >> >> Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. > >> >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047&alloc_id=10808&op=click > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> To unsubscribe, use the last form field at: > >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-usb-users > >> > > >> >-- > >> > /------------------------------------+-------------------------\ > >> > > >> >|Stephen J. Gowdy | SLAC, MailStop 34, > >> >| | http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~gowdy/ | 2575 Sand Hill Road, > >> >| | http://calendar.yahoo.com/gowdy | Menlo Park CA 94025, > >> >| USA | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel: +1 650 926 > >> >| 3144 | > >> > > >> > \------------------------------------+-------------------------/ > >> > > >> > > >> >------------------------------------------------------- > >> >This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop > >> >FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > >> >Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. > >> >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047&alloc_id=10808&op=click > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >To unsubscribe, use the last form field at: > >> >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-usb-users > > > >-- > > /------------------------------------+-------------------------\ > > > >|Stephen J. 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