I couldn't have said it better myself =)

David Lane wrote:

>Sorry, all, my initial empassioned entry into the Linux vs. Windows email
>debate had a few typos...  Here's an edited version.
>
>Hi Jeremy,
>
>I don't normally get involved in discussions like this, but I must say 
>that Linux isn't like Windows for a number of very important reasons.
>Very few of the reasons are technical - nearly all are philosophical,
>and they're the same reasons that I don't use Windows, and haven't
>since 1994.  Linux is not ever likely to have email viruses like
>Windows/Outlook - regardless of its marketshare - for 4 fundamental reasons:
>
>1.  Design: a proper multiuser architecture like that employed by UNIX
>and Linux creates a "sandbox" for each user.  As long as a user doesn't
>read/execute a hypothetical email virus as root, it's unlikely to affect
>more than their individual account at the very worst.  If they do read mail 
>as root, then they're sadly naive and probably should to get virus to teach
>them a lesson in prudence.  
>
>Windows is sort of like shooting fish in a barrel.  There is *no*
>security by default, no proper permissions, no nothin'.
>
>2.  Diversity: there is no email client monoculture on Linux like there
>is on Windows.  There are many very capable email clients, none of which
>has unfair advantage over another (as Outlook does by virtue of being
>preinstalled and set as default mail client on EVERY Windows desktop).
>Therefore there's no clear vector for transferring an email virus.  
>
>All Windows machines of any given flavour (Win95/98/NT/2000/XP/CE) are 
>identical, with all the same files in the same places by default.  A 
>Windows virus doesn't have to be very smart because it doesn't have to 
>look very hard to find the vulnerable parts of the system.  That's the 
>definition of a monoculture.  In nature, they don't last long for good 
>reason: they're weak.
>
>3.  Default settings:  Linux, is configured with everything potentially 
>dangerous turned off by default (or specifically asks you if it should 
>turn things on).  
>
>Windows, on the other hand, is designed to maximise MS's income.  
>
>That means pleasing the majority, which has always meant pleasing
>the lowest common denominator - the naive and minimally skilled.  
>
>It also means keeping the anti-virus manufactures in business - ever
>wonder to what degree MS is invested in Symantec or Norton?  Isn't it
>ironic that some of the foremost companies in computing are blindingly
>successful simply because the fix something in another company's
>software that shouldn't have been broken?  
>
><rant>There has never (perhaps until now with the ascent of Linux) been
>ANY financial incentive for MS to create a secure or stable Windows. 
>They (with "upgrades") and their "partners", OEMs, and legions of
>support technicians the world over employed, earn $billions for
>fixing the same, known problems time and time again.  To me, it makes obvious
>business sense that they drop those crumbs to keep the scavengers in their 
>IT "ecosystem" well fed and eager to shout their praises.  Sort of like how 
>a great white shark tolerates a remora that eats its unwanted parasites - unless,
>of course, the shark feels like a light snack...</rant>
>
>4.  Goodwill:  when a clever (or even not-so-clever) programmer wants to
>make his/her mark in the Linux world, there are many creative, positive
>ways in which s/he can make a splash creatively.  Most contribute to an open 
>source project - everyone knows that, given a choice, it feels much better to 
>build something than it does to destroy something.  Linux promotes an ethos of
>goodwill due to its openness and inclusiveness.  It would be uncool in
>just about anybody's book do something destructive to anything that is
>the result of so many people's generosity. 
>
>With Windows, no such good will exists, and the only real way to have an
>impact is by being destructive.  In my opinion, the mercenary ethos projected
>by MS brings out frustration and destructiveness in people.
>
>Dave
>
>On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 11:51, Jeremy Bertenshaw wrote:
>
>>Okay, so maybe I should've said... wow! are there new advancements in other 
>operating systems that make them impervious to viruses?
>>
>>Granted Outlook opens up a whole bunch of issues, but _My_ point was that theres no 
>point knocking micro$oft when you can be in the same boat no matter what OS you're 
>using, it's the popularity that makes it more likely to be hit.
>>
>>jeremyb
>>
>>http://www.jeremyb.net
>>
>>>From: Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Date: 2002/03/11 Mon AM 09:21:57 GMT+12:00
>>>To: Jeremy Bertenshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>>>     Johnno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: Re: Mail Virus Scanners
>>>
>>>On Monday 11 March 2002 09:41 am, Jeremy Bertenshaw wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wow! Is there some new advancement in linux that makes it impervious to
>>>>viruses?
>>>>
>>>No. As distrubuted by the major vendors Linux is not particularly secure,
>>>but getting rid of Microsoft will get rid of all the Outlook problems and 
>>>other viruses which depend on there being no effective permission structure 
>>>in the file system. It's just that in any mono-culture the whole population 
>>>is prone to infection.
>>>
>>>Next time, read my posts carefully and note that I never mentioned Linux, and 
>>>remember that that there are several operating systems which are "not 
>>>Microsoft" and are perfectly capable of doing all the things that most people 
>>>need to do. 
>>>
>>>>>From: Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>Date: 2002/03/10 Sun PM 10:23:21 GMT+12:00
>>>>>To: Johnno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>Subject: Re: Mail Virus Scanners
>>>>>
>>>>>Belt & braces is a good idea, but tell them that if they really want to
>>>>>get rid of viruses they need to get rid of Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>


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