This looks ominous - any comments?
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1. Software patent? (John Culleton)
2. Re: Software patent? (Kai Lahmann)
3. Re: Software patent? (Paul Chvostek)
4. Re: Software patent? (Kai Lahmann)
5. Re: Software patent? (Christian Leber)
6. Re: Software patent? (Ramanan Selvaratnam)
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From: John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:46:42 -0400
Subject: [debian-knoppix] Software patent?
Someone directed me to knopper.net which now has a message saying it was
closed because of pending European patent legislation.
Does this closure affect the availability of Knoppix?
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John Culleton
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From: Kai Lahmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [debian-knoppix] Software patent?
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:08:28 +0200
Am Donnerstag, 28. August 2003 01:46 schrieb John Culleton:
> Does this closure affect the availability of Knoppix?
well, yes (and way more). Every OpenSource-Software will be illegal and even
MS needs to pay a lot of Money, to legalize their Software (if they get the
licences). Online-Shops will die at all, maybe email too. All this is
currently patented, but those patents aren't legal in europe.
...ok, that was the worst case, but close to truth - so just hope, that it
won't happen and explain as much people as you can, why this is the worst
which could happen for the whole IT world.
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Kai Lahmann
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:38:18 -0400
From: Paul Chvostek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Kai Lahmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [debian-knoppix] Software patent?
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On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 02:08:28AM +0200, Kai Lahmann wrote:
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> Am Donnerstag, 28. August 2003 01:46 schrieb John Culleton:
> > Does this closure affect the availability of Knoppix?
>
> well, yes (and way more). Every OpenSource-Software will be illegal and even
> MS needs to pay a lot of Money, to legalize their Software (if they get the
> licences).
I believe this is not true. My understanding is that SCO's legal action
against IBM is with regard to "misappropriation of trade secrets", and
its warnings to the rest of the Linux-using world is that further legal
action may be taken with regard to "intellectual property violations".
I see nothing pointing at open source in general. There is no mention
of FreeBSD, or anything else that is not specifically Linux. Much as it
may surprise some folks, Linux is *not* the total extent of the world of
open source.
>Online-Shops will die at all, maybe email too. All this is
> currently patented, but those patents aren't legal in europe.
> ...ok, that was the worst case, but close to truth - so just hope, that it
> won't happen and explain as much people as you can, why this is the worst
> which could happen for the whole IT world.
This is merely inflammatory bovine excrement. Worst case, IBM will be
forced to edit out and rewrite the parts of Linux which SCO claims is in
violation of their copyright or patent, and further source updates will
follow for the rest of the Linux world.
Email will not go down. Online shops will not "die". Perhaps some
additional bandwidth will be wasted by folks too quick to believe the
sky is falling, but the lasting effects even of that will be minimal.
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Paul Chvostek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 4
From: Kai Lahmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [debian-knoppix] Software patent?
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:54:11 +0200
Am Donnerstag, 28. August 2003 02:38 schrieb Paul Chvostek:
> I believe this is not true. My understanding is that SCO's legal action
> against IBM is with regard to "misappropriation of trade secrets", and
> its warnings to the rest of the Linux-using world is that further legal
> action may be taken with regard to "intellectual property violations".
this isn't SCO. This are Software-Patents being legalized in europe.
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Kai Lahmann
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:50:34 +0200
From: Christian Leber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [debian-knoppix] Software patent?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:38:18PM -0400, Paul Chvostek wrote:
> I believe this is not true. My understanding is that SCO's legal action
> against IBM is with regard to "misappropriation of trade secrets", and
> its warnings to the rest of the Linux-using world is that further legal
> action may be taken with regard to "intellectual property violations".
SCO has _nothing_ to do with softwarepatents in europe.
Read: http://swpat.ffii.org/
Especially the horror collection:
http://swpat.ffii.org/patents/index.en.html
SCO is a non issue, they would have a really hard time in court to do
anything against endusers in europe.
Christian Leber
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nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." (Aurelius Augustinus)
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:18:30 +0100
From: Ramanan Selvaratnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [debian-knoppix] Software patent?
Christian Leber wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:38:18PM -0400, Paul Chvostek wrote:
>
>
>>I believe this is not true. My understanding is that SCO's legal action
>>against IBM is with regard to "misappropriation of trade secrets", and
>>its warnings to the rest of the Linux-using world is that further legal
>>action may be taken
