I agree an installfest is good, especially for luring in the newbies. 
Although I believe there is a growing demand for making people aware of the 
applications available, and then helping them install it. For example my 
ratio of installed programs to downloaded packages is pretty grim.
Sometimes I wish I could see a demonstration of an applications before I spend 
hours battling the wrong version of GTK or a conflict in libraries...
So it would be ideal to gather together some of the common applications / 
guaranteed solutions / problems at the installfest. Examples:
* I still miss a decent audio editing program like CoolEdit
* (Lin)modem drivers that work. (example the cheap/common DSE modem, has a 
good driver for Mandrake 8.2, 9.1, 9.2 (tweaked), but not nothing works for 
9.0)
* hardware support issues; knowing whether the 'cheap' brands of hardware 
(webcams, scanners, modems, etc) will work before you buy it. (eg, anyone 
know whether the DSE tablet ($81) works under linux? - any good handwriting 
recognition for it??)
In short I like the installfest concept although like it to focus more on the 
hardware and applications.
Cheers,
Synco

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:40, you wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:06:25 +1300
>
> Douglas Royds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> > >Mandrake virtually installs itself in 20 mins or less on current
> > > hardware.
> >
> > ... if you know what you're doing, which I didn't. Overall, it took me
> > about two weeks in what little spare time I have, plus two hours of
> > Greg's time. Finally, once I had everything successfully partitioned,
> > and knew exactly what to do, I did successfully install Mandrake in
> > about 45 minutes.
> >
> > >Installfests just to get Linux installed are no longer a necessity.
> >
> > I'd rather have done all of that at an installfest, it's just that I
> > wasn't going to wait until March. The best way to learn is to have an
> > expert available to answer stupid questions.
>
> I wonder whether we should include full installations in our workshops,
> ie a few and often, rather than one big fest a year. maybe even some
> structured sessions - week one install, week two find your way around
> the system etc.
>
> > >Forgetting the hassles caused by the shortcomings of the rpm format,
> > > which have been largely worked around in various ways, installing
> > > applications and their upgrades is usually as simple as falling off a
> > > log.
> >
> > Regrettably, my track record so far is poor. I've tried installing Grip,
> > Lame, Ogg Vorbis, and a modem driver. So far only Grip has worked. Back
> > to that installfest.
>
> this is obviously distro and package specific, hard to know how to help
> without details of what you have done and what the results are.
>
> > >Linux's very sucess has had the effect that LUGs are no longer needed
> > > for the dedicated support of Linux per se.
> >
> > Installation is OK once you know what you're doing. The need for support
> > won't seriously diminish until you can buy your Linux box ready-to-eat
> > off the shelf at Harvey Norman.
>
> well you can, at dse anyway. there are many places selling computers
> with linux preinstalled.
>
> >Also, I find discussions of "what's the
> > best tool for a photos web-site" both useful and interesting.
> >
> > Douglas (first-time poster).


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