In the interests of documentary completeness..

Timothy Musson wrote:
Rik Tindall wrote:
Timothy Musson wrote:
Ubuntu intentionally includes non-free software (proprietary kernel
blobs and device drivers), and they've stated that they intend to
continue doing so.

Along with the source files, should you want them.

Meaning, too glibly, the binary distro install off an Ubuntu CD is backed up by source files being available through Synaptic & repositories.. much like any other distro having a similar mechanism. Except that..

Unfortunately, that's not the case...

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob
  http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/84

..For drivers for particular and nuisance proprietary devices - like Nvidia & ATI video, etc - whatever agreement exists between freenix developers and those producers requires that the control source code not be released, so a "binary blob" is provided for running it.. the same as for any other distro (?)

So the argument is, we should:
a) not buy gear with these components, & 'consumer strike' for freedom
b) don't support distros not encouraging a) by them providing blobs
c) use computers with only fully open components in them, and distros just supporting that range.

Q1: What is Debian's position on blob provision please?

Q2: How many distros other that gnewsense.org do not?

I'd kinda like to continue the discussion, but we should probably move
it to the GNUz mailing list. I'll start a new thread there, when I get a
bit of time :^)

Tim

Yes, it shows the place for another forum, where those that can afford to let the struggle for full code freedom interrupt their daily work can take the matter up together.

Meanwhile, 'what works' (easily) is uniting us here.

Cheers
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