Ok, I'll take the flack for this, instead of Don. In the interests of complete documentation, from which Jim has extracted..
Regards, Rik -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fwd: Could you forward my message?] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:17:36 +1200 From: Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rik Tindall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do you think we should repost it? Your comments the other day seem to suggest not. If not, do you think we should tell/explain the issue to RMS? Cheers Don
--- Begin Message ---I can't send mail to that list. Could you forward my message? X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:17:43 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) From: PMDF e-Mail Interconnect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tq4wooYuvu2kZ7cdTem+cA)" --Boundary_(ID_tq4wooYuvu2kZ7cdTem+cA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: EN-US This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:16:20 -0400 From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: RMS Talk - Thanks Rik and co... where to now? Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: Recipient address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original address: [email protected] Reason: you are not allowed to use this list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Boundary_(ID_tq4wooYuvu2kZ7cdTem+cA) Content-type: message/delivery-status Original-envelope-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reporting-MTA: dns;it.canterbury.ac.nz (PROCESS-DAEMON) Action: failed Status: 5.7.1 (you are not allowed to use this list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Original-recipient: rfc822;[email protected] Final-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] --Boundary_(ID_tq4wooYuvu2kZ7cdTem+cA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x13 #31493) id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (original mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:17:43 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x13 #31493) id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT [email protected]); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:17:43 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from PMAS-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x13 #31493) id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT [email protected]); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:17:42 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-1 #31493) with ESMTPS id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT [email protected]); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:17:43 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1KUcUu-0005iN-O5; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:16:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:16:20 -0400 From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: RMS Talk - Thanks Rik and co... where to now? In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-PMAS-Software: PreciseMail V3.0-2 [080816b] (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz) X-PMAS-Allowed: user rule ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Frankly I don't know where to start with what I heard today. One way to start would be to rename the mailing list to gnu-linux-users. I doubt many of the discussions are really about Linux alone, or that many of the people on the list use Linux other than in the GNU system. It won't take much effort to recognize us here, so how about it? I've already spent 3 hours talking with my wife and father about the issues and am no further ahead. I suggest you not knock your head against the wall trying to convince a person who isn't willing to consider the issue. Instead, find someone else who does listen. That is more efficient. The best way to influence your wife could be by example. If you switch to GNU/Linux on the computers you normally use at home, and treat any machines with non-free systems as solely her business, you will have escaped from non-free software; you can then leave the invitatin open for her to follow you, without insisting or arguing. I've said it before that I just think is a mockery that HP sponsor so many open source web sites with banner ads about how wonderful their products are yet every time I try to use GNU/Linux on a machine I run aground. That is why they promote open source, rather than free software. They do not want to imply that there is anything wrong with their current policies. The ideas of open source were chosen NOT to imply that there's anything wrong with proprietary software. This is precisely why I take pains to promote free/libre software rather than open source. When other people raise a superficial issue, you can raise a deeper one. For instance, when people complain about computers sold with time-bombed software that stops working after 60 days, you can point out that this kind of malicious feature, like many others, is possible because the software is proprietary. And when people complain that they are supposed to get cash back from the purchase of a computer and the company did not pay, you can point out there's something worse about that computer: non-free softare such as Windows or MacOS. --Boundary_(ID_tq4wooYuvu2kZ7cdTem+cA)--
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