Many Thanks to you Nick, and Steve, for your assistance.
I changed the ip address's in my two main machines, to what you and
Steve suggested, and everything sprang to life.

I will alter the address's on the other machines later today.
for now problem solved.
The issue was my lack of understanding that zeroconfig did not return
real world address, and the peculiarities of Mr Gates' weird offerings.
I can see a need for a DNS server, and will pursue that path over the
next month or so.
Any recommendations for where to look for the basic knowledge would be
appreciated.

many thanks gentlemen

regards Chris Thomas
On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 16:36 -0500, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:05 PM, chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thank you Nick for your patience.
> >
> > No I have always up to now only used IP addresses
> > All machines are on the same subnet
> > 169.254 etc


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