Dear Laurent,

I appreciate your opinion and you are right in what you say. I am also aware of 
the problems with proprietary software and I don't blame anybody.

I'm also very thankful to you and people like who make things work under linux. 
I have helped and still help a lot to improve (debug, develop) software working 
under linux but it is obvious that a lot of stuff still is not working

It just sucks that I can not do few simple things and that makes me angry.

I was very optimistic then back in 1998 about linux but it all turns to be more 
or less a OS for servers and home experiments, because compared to cemercial OS 
like the stupid MS and OS X I'm spending more time in such community forums as 
doing things with my pc - I mean I'm more buzy with debugging than using the 
OS...

Sorry if you or someone else feel insulted by what I said, but also you can not 
deny the fact that it is not working as it should be, because I have evidence 
that it is not working...

As I decided not to use MS years ago I am considering buying Apple next year.

I think this is the best solution for me because recently I'm pretty buzzy with 
my job and familly and I don't have that much time to debug linux.

I would recommend using linux in home or small buziness office solutions as a 
server but it's still far from stability as a workstation.
Some hope brings an experiment like EEEC but the future will show if this is a 
winner.

I appreciate your opinion and the work all of the free software community do - 
it is very important.

I'm really sorry speaking so negatively about linux in general.

kind regards

--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Laurent Pinchart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Laurent Pinchart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Linux-uvc-devel] Skype not working
> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:17 PM
> On Thursday 17 July 2008, Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> > > Am Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:13:29 -0700 (PDT) schrieb
> Emanoil
> > >
> > > Kotsev:
> > > > What kind of video card and video driver are
> you
> > >
> > > using. May be it's
> > >
> > > > related to my similar problem using ATI or
> NVidia
> > >
> > > proprietary drivers.
> > >
> > > An Nvidia Gforce2 on one system and a ATI card on
> the other
> > > system.
> > > Both with commercial OpenGL enabled drivers.
> >
> > Yes, I have exactly the same experience with skype
> with both ATI and NVidia
> > cards and the commercial drivers. Basically what
> happens is that after
> > starting a video conference it slows down and hangs
> after a while, forcing
> > me to kill and restart skype. I read that there is a
> known problem with ATI
> > (a memory leak but don't remember if it was a
> Skype problem or ATI) also no
> > idea when it will be fixed and at which side. I
> don't have access on daily
> > basis to the PC with the ATI card, but I have replaced
> the Nvidia
> > proprietary driver with the free NV one and skype is
> working fine.
> > Unfortunately this is at the cost of the nice 3D GL
> support (googleearth
> > and other apps are not working), so I am really
> thinking of buying an Apple
> > PC and solving all of the issues :-( dam it I need few
> things to work and.
> > As this is not the only thing that's bugging me in
> linux I'm getting more
> > disappointed, though I really love it. I've been
> using it since 1998 and I
> > think it was more simple and more stable at what it
> claimed to can do.
> 
> In 1998 you obviously didn't have Skype issues, as
> there was no Skype at all. 
> Just uninstall Skype and you'll get back to your 1998
> stability :-)
> 
> > If someone has a solution and a proof for the oposite
> please you're
> > welcome. we can move this discussion also to another
> place as I don't think
> > this is the proper place for it.
> >
> > > Do you really think this may be a problem? What
> kind of
> > > problem did you
> > > have and how did you solve them?
> >
> > Just change the line in the xorg.conf file
> >
> > Driver "nvidia" to
> > Driver "nv"
> >
> > It might be also necessary to change few other things
> but for me changing
> > this line worked, so now video skyping is fine ;-)
> >
> > > Video playback works well in both systems. And I
> could
> > > receive the
> > > video from the remote skype.
> >
> > Yes it is the same behaviour as I had. If I send skype
> video  it works and
> > If I receive it works too, but as soon as  both parts
> send skype video it
> > breaks - SH...T!
> >
> > Hope this helps but I'm getting a little bit angry
> 
> You can't blame Linux as a whole because proprietary
> software vendors ship 
> broken products. That's just not fair.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Laurent Pinchart


      
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