I'll try to answer in english and french to this interesting point of vue je vais essayer de repondre en francais et en anglais ce point de vue interessant
yes the words are important and the language is all oui les mots sont importants et le language ( le verbe ) est tout yes they are manipulating crowds with words oui ils nous manipulent avec des mots you probably read chomsky didnt you ? I recomment to everyone reading 'de la propagande' tu as probablement lu chomsky non ? je recommande a tous de lire 'de la prapagande' ( http://www.chomsky.info/books.htm , http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky ) pirating or sharing ? good question for sure! piratage ou partage . bonne question c'est sur . . . ( drole de hasard les deux mots se ressemblent etrangement en francais ;) Words are important but tools are useful too . . . Les mots sont importants mais les outils sont utiles pour combattre . . . I prefer to use their own concepts for fighting them, even if I have to be the devil lawyer in the next lines. Je prefere utiliser leur propres concepts pour combattre, meme si je dois me faire l'avocat du diable dans les prochaines lignes. What is personal property ? qu'est ce que la propriété individuelle ? I buy something, I own it , I can share it, it's mine. J'achete quelque chose, je le possede, j'ai le droit de le partager, c'est a moi. If I buy the last CD of ******* , its mine and i can have my mother listen to it, but also my princess who lives the other side of the world ( in peru ). Si j'achete le dernier CD de *******, il est a moi et je peux le faire ecouter a ma mere, mais aussi a ma princesses qui a l'autre bout du monde ( au perou ). I am a musician ( listen to http://ww7.be/neofutur/musique_libre/Fairy_Tale-02.mp3 ;) and I dont support free p2p for everyone and I dont use it. je suis aussi musicien ( ecoute donc http://ww7.be/neofutur/musique_libre/Fairy_Tale-02.mp3 ;) ne supporte pas l'usage abusif du p2p pour tout le monde, je n'utilise pas le p2p. BUT MAIS If I buy something I should own it for real and have the right to share it with my friends, wherever they are ! Si j'achete quelque chosen je dois avoir le droit de le partager avec mes amis, ou qu'ils soient ! Et la j'ai un outil, un logiciel libre, bien plus adapte a un partage ( quasi ) legal de ce que je possede. Here I have a tool, a free software tool, much better than p2p and much more adapted to a ( nearly ) legal sharing use of what I own . Cet outil s'appelle ampache ( http://ampache.org/ ), le mien est la : http://ampache.ww7.be It is called ampache ( http://ampache.org/ ) and my own is here : http://ampache.ww7.be Ici se trouvent les rips MP3 de presque tous les CDs que j'ai achetes, j'ai les originaux de tous, et je peux les ecouter a partir de partout dans le monde ( ou j'ai acces a internet ) sans avoir a me deplacer avec 120 CDs. Here are the MP3 rips of nearly all of the CDs I bought, I have the originals of all of them, and I can listen to them from anywhere in the world ( where I can access internet ), without travelling with 120 CDs ;) Toute ma famille et mes amis peuvent les ecouter aussi, ce sont mes CDs et mes amis ont eux aussi le droit de les ecouter. All of my family, friends can listen to it too, they are my CDs and i can have my friends have the right to listen to them too. Je prefere combattre ainsi, je comprend que quelqu'un doit acheter l'oeuvre de l'artiste I prefer to fight this way, I understand that someone have to pay the artist's work. Une autre chose, je prefere http://jamendo.com, ou vous pouvez trouver des milliers de CDs sous licence creative commons. Another thing . . . I prefer http://jamendo.com , where you can find thoudands of creative commons CDs from talented artists. Mais l'artiste a quand meme besoin de manger alors si vous aimez ce que vous trouvez sur jamendo . . . pensez a donner quelques euros de temps en temps, sans quoi l'alternative ne sera pas viable quand tous les artistes seront morts de faim. But the artist need to eat , so , if you like what you find on jamendo, think of giving some Euros sometime , or the alternative will be dead when all the artists will have died from hunger. 2008/5/20 Roberto A. Foglietta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/5/19 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> http://www.laquadrature.net/fr/vie-privee-industrie-film-pirate-droit-europeen >> >> Le piratage est moralement indéfendable. J'en suis d'accord. >> Microsoft a avancé grâce au piratage. >> Maintenant, que n'importe qui vienne fouiller dans ma bécane... >> et pourquoi pas dans mon bureau ? il y a peut-être des papiers douteux... >> Jean-Louis >> > > I read following posts but I prefer answer to this. The reason I hope > will be clear in the following text. > > In Italy I have heard many times strong debates about words usage by > whom I consider respectable people, too. So I would like to face your > point of view too. If you are not in mood to read a long post but are > curios about main ideas you could read the last paragraph entitled > "summarizing", at the end. In the case you will find interesting you > could rewind the post or I will offer my apologize! > ;-) > > The question is that the true pirates attack ships and kill people > for money. Even in the worst scenario, selling not authorized copy, > nobody risks his/her life and still has nothing to do with old sailing > piracy. In the less worse scenario, sharing for free among peers, > pirate words usage seems really exaggerate. > > In few words the basic idea is that starting change the words usage > will start to change the politic approach. Information goods are not > rarely and finite like material ones. Under this point of view sharing > for free should not be such great problem. People has not an infinite > amount of money to buy as much as they can see or listen. The economic > lost they claim are bullshits because if peep-to-peer sharing make a > film famous they still can sell that film t-shirt or other related > gadgets. > > Software are different because it is not an artistic opera but a > functional product. It allow to us to produce better, faster or in a > way it was not possible before. However using not authorized copies of > software outside producing environments should not a great problem > because in one hand who not produce anything could not sell anything > and in other hand he/she starts to depend from that software and as > much people depend on a software as much that software value rises. If > four people in all the world had the fax the fax machine values > nothing, but if the 4 thousand most important people have the fax the > fax would a valuable elite piece of technology, further if 4 million > people have the fax then fax would be a commodity as it is. For this > reason using proprietary software in a school should be really really > deprecate like making advertisement in classroom. > > Majors use piracy concept because they are scared to loose the > control of the information channels: big companies could push onto a > film or a singer very much in order to make up it as a greatest > success but they cannot control people sharing attitude. So they have > to ban the sharing attitude using the law and the politicians are > happy if they could control the network for the same reason: who > controls the information channels could controls the world usage and > make people think in the way they would not if different words usage > are involved in. Democracy is nothing compared to the power of > transmitting the message that red is the colour of the blood and > violence and blue is the colour of the sky and freedom. Just a stupid > example but I would not annoy you with more complex one, I hope the > main idea has been shown. > > Rebels or terrorist? Pirate or sharing peers? Mad scientist or > misunderstood genius? Depend on the words you will accept and use that > your mind reacts following the stream of ideas which are related to > that words. I think major will win the game if their words usage will > be spread as solely vision of the world and humans attitude. People > has the innate attitude to share but if we change "to share" in "to > piracy" we invent a world in which not only people copy but kill too. > In this scenario, very slowly but constantly, our mind start to > populate the world of pirates and we start to feel unsafe and to avoid > others because they could piracy with us or against us! A world of > divided people are a world of solely consumers: extremely nice for the > major but extremely bad for people which are been projected by natural > evolution to face together the real world dangers and challenges. Try > to defend yourself alone, one to one, against a hungry tiger or just a > little puma!!! Humans constitute the biggest danger for any animal > specie when they act all together but are really weak when they are > alone. > Major will win? Am I too pessimistic? Yes and no. Pirates film is > going to shown even more nice pirates because if people think sharing > is like piracy so piracy tend to loose their negative meaning. Share > became piracy and peers became pirates but peers are nice so pirates > tend to going to be nice or the peers have to going to be as bad as > old pirates. In the real world, but in the world of politicians in > which you cannot trust anybody pirates are still old pirates!!! This > happens to every people who lost connection with the real world, to > any people who received too much money or power they do not need relay > to others to live well. I am not sure about French politician but > changing the country does not change the fact that we have the duty of > feedback our politicians with the correct words usage or they will > lost the contact with real world and the society will follow on their > wrong rail. > > *Summarizing*: I think it is right to recognize the impact of the > words usage and ask to politicians to use those are correct and avoid > others. In one hand I think it is our duty to explain why some words > like "piracy" are misused and dangerous when strongly connected with > information sharing. In other hand I think it is our responsibility to > push onto the idea who sells (for money) copyrighted information > without a regular permission will broke the law and he/she is going to > be a social problem. In fact we would care GPL is not violated as any > copyright holders would no anybody could sell their works. However > information is not a private belonging because it is not rarely and > finite as material goods. Information monopoly like copyright is a > social convention which have to serve not the business but the > scientific and cultural improvement of society feed innovative and > creative people. > > I hope to have add something interesting to this thread, if not sorry > for my long contribute, -- Cordialement William Waisse http://waisse.org | http://neoskills.com http://cahierspip.ww7.be | http://feeder.ww7.be carte de visite : http://xena.ww7.be/my_carte2.jpg Diffusez cette liste aupres de vos relations :) Linux Azur : http://linux-azur.org L'auteur du post est responsable de ses �crits ! *** Pas de message SMS, HTML ni de PJ SVP ***
