The problem is that we don't have code execution so we can't just
"replace a little bit of code where the iPod boots up".
Finding out how the cryptoengine works is a completely different thing.

If you have an idea though how to get code running without using the
notes exploit/using it in a better/easier way I think everyone would
be happy to hear about.

If not the two things that help most on the 3g would be:
a) bruteforcing again... building a new nanotron
b) open up the device and take it apart

Farthen

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Keanen Shaw <keanen.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, you do have the right idea, but you're going about it wrong. To find a
> valid key, if you don't exactly know what you're doing, you have to use
> brute force. Now, what I'm thinking is this: You write a little test program
> to replace a little bit of code where the iPod boots up. The iPod is plugged
> into the PC, and a macro is running that reassembles the program with a
> different encryption key and reboots the iPod. This is done until the
> computer finds a working encryption key (a value could be written to a file
> from the test program or something).
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:19 PM, The Seven <these...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> So have we got somewhere on the 2G/4G?
>> Actually I'm very interested about your ideas, even though I think I
>> have got quite a comprehensive overview about those things and the only
>> plan that I could think of that doesn't run into a dead end somewhere is
>>  figuring out that return address and making our exploit work.
>> Nevertheless, I would be very pleased to discuss your ideas here.
>> I may have missed something, and even if I didn't, I would at least like
>> to clarify *why* a certain plan can't work in the end.
>> So please just explain your ideas...
>>
>> Keanen Shaw schrieb:
>> > I will do neither of those things. I have a few ideas of what to do
>> myself,
>> > but I'm sure none of you would listen. The guy who emailed me about my
>> last
>> > message didn't even email me back after my response, so I have no reason
>> to
>> > believe that you guys are getting anywhere.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:39 PM, The Seven <these...@gmx.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do you feel like opening it and soldering on the PCB?
>> >> Or maybe donate it to stooo, our "hardware wizard"?
>> >> We may indeed need another 3G for board-level testing...
>> >>
>> >> Keanen Shaw schrieb:
>> >>> Hey people, since I'm on the mailing list I thought it would be
>> >> appropriate
>> >>> for me to actually say something without you blokes ignoring it. So,
>> for
>> >> the
>> >>> last time, I have an iPod Nano 3G that I can run any kind of test on
>> you
>> >>> want. It is pretty much disposable, as I have no way to use it now that
>> >> I'm
>> >>> running Puppy Linux. Anyone want to say "nice to know" or "we'll keep
>> in
>> >>> touch"? I'm not going to deal with this bullshit anymore.
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