Replying some to both: Wyatt M. Portendt wrote: > >>So that means that I can't choose my hardware based on features and >>performance? I have to use only hardware built for Linux? Sorry. I just >>paid about 1600 dollars for this computer and the hardware is fast and >>reliable under XP. It literally screams. I don't want to buy new hardware >>just to play with my operating system. :( I appreciate the fact that
You think it's rough in Linux? My main op sys is the SSI eComStation version of OS/2 Warp 4.52. You should try to make that work with everything. We still haven't got any firewire drivers at all. Digicam & scanner support is spotty. Drivers for color printers (esp laser) are sub-par. We work beside Linux with uniaud (based on ALSA) for sound & SANE for scanning. We have our own project to allow us to install Win printer drivers and use them in OS/2 We also have the Odin project to run many Win32 apps and it was originally based on Wine. I've used OS/2 regularly for almost 14 years since V2.0. There has been announcements of the death of OS/2 since 1995 and we still standing. But in that time we've learned to ALWAYS buy the hardware to work with the op sys & software. I have 4 USB ports and just a scanner connected to them. I have an old Win98se box to DL pix from my (very cheap) Vivitar Vivicam 10 digicam (The Barbie camera works in OS/2 but not my Vivitar in OS/2 or Linux). I am just getting my Artec USB scanner working by recompiling the latest backend for SANE. I've got a decent old Lexmark WinWriter 200 printer I bought for $5 also hooked to my Win box and available through the network. I've got another old $5 Brother HL-660 laser on my OS/2 box that works great. And I have two USR hardware modems, one int & one ext, that work fine in everything. Now someone gave me a free Dell Dimension L700cx system. It had WinME on it. It now has SuSE 9.0 on it and EVERYTHING works. It has a Lucent Winmodem that it tested during the install. The SB Live card was sensed and the sound work OOTB. It even sensed both the original I810e internal graphics card AND the 3dfx Voodoo PCI card I added so I have 2 monitors hooked to it with 2 separate desktops running! So in my experience for eCS-OS/2 Warp it has ALWAYS been essential to buy the hardware for the software. With Linux most things work right off and if they don't it takes just a little work & a little advice or research to get them working. Tim Fairchild wrote: > Look at it this way. What if I say windows is useless as it won't let moe play > my playstation games. Windows is crud, it won't install on my Mac. Windows > won't run on my new intel 64 PC and so forth. > > You choose the hardware to suit your software. This should always be true. You > choose mac hardware to run OS/X, or playstation to run PS2 games and so > forth. Obviously in your case you bought windows hardware for windows. That's > fair enough. It makes the linux install a little hard for the moment. > Tim you are spot on! I've been in small computer systems since 1979. Every text I've ever read on buying a computer says this: "Find out what SOFTWARE you want to run then go buy the HARDWARE you need to run it." In 1984 if you wanted to run a Commodore C=64 game you didn't go out and buy an Atari 800 and HOPE someone ported it, you bought a C=64. If you wanted a Mac op sys you didn't go out and buy an IBM PC and HOPE someone made a similar one, you bought a Mac. That is true even now. > It's unfortunate, but the reality of the situation. The linux guys don't get > the info they need to write the drivers and don't get the cooperation, so > they have to guess or try things or reverse engineer or whatever. The latest > stuff is always a problem. > > You will find that any new stuff you have today will be linux compatible in > the near future for the most part... And much sooner than we get it in eCS-OS/2! Be happy Linux keeps up so well. >>It's a different way of doing things, to be sure. I just always assumed >>that you told the operating system what hardware you had and it told the >>programs in turn. This is going to take some getting used to. > > > The driver situation exists in linux and windows. It's just that they write > the windows drivers for you :) Right. They go where the business is. Some also go where BG & M$ tells them to go. As came out in testimony at the M$ antitrust case Compaq was VERY guilty of that (and still was until HP bought them). Even IBM was told by M$ to STOP selling OS/2 if they wanted to be able to sell Winshit at all. And they did. Wyatt M. Portendt wrote: >>Well...I've looked and looked. I don't see Kmix anywhere. KDE 3.2.1 >>I looked through every item in the program list (looks like the start menu >>in windows) but I can't find Kmix there under any menu. Maybe the >>unspecified module *is* here, sitting on my computer. Danged if I've seen >>it and danged if I'd know it if I did since I don't know what it's called >>and haven't found a reference in Google to it as yet. I still have about a >>half million hits to go through, though. I have a SB Live! on my SuSE box. Ask any specific questions and I'll try to give an answer. But my GUI is highly modified from stock so my symlinks are not all where they used to be. Have you gone into your file manager of choice (probably Konquerer) and done a search for KMix? >>If I'm understanding you all right, the OS has nothing to do with sound, >>correct? The sound has to be configured individually for every program >>that needs it? The sound SYSTEM is in the op sys kernel module. But still some individual sound settings can or should be adjusted in individual programs. That's the same in any op sys as far as I know. The font system is part of the op sys & modules but don't you still configure different fonts in different apps? I hope you don't give up. Make your system multiboot with WinXP for a bit then have patience, learn and get it working the way you want slowly. Then maybe someday you'll let go of winshit 100%. Consider WinXP your training wheels and Linux your bike. 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