Hello Noctaire,

Thursday, December 22, 2005, 1:13:18 PM, you wrote:

N> Ergo why I said, "usually".  :-P  The last RH box I set up DID have default
N> behaviors of a sort but maybe that's changed.  Since they've become so
N> profit driven, I've moved away from RH.  Most of the OSes I've worked with
N> over the years default to obtaining their IP information via DHCP in some
N> capacity, whether it's during setup or done automatically.  In this
N> particular case, he's running SUSE and the last install of SUSE I did had
N> the default behavior implemented.  :)

N> One thing I really like about the latest versions of SUSE and Mandriva is
N> that they've become very good at installing and running right out of the
N> box.  There's few things worse than the tedious nature of some Linux setups.

I've been a Red Hat user since version 7... now running a totally
updated installation of Red Hat Enterprise Workstation 3... I even
have several years of paid subscriptions to Red Hat Network. I don't
mind throwing money at Red Hat, and I now (finally!) know the
operating system and applications well enough, so that for my
desktop... where I do most of my work... I don't want to change.

N> Really?!  I wonder if that was because of your specific implementation or
N> something else.  SBC is one of the few ISPs have little direct experience
N> with but I've never heard of anyone having any problems.  I've worked online
N> with folks that have SBC (including my brother at one time) and they've
N> never had any issues with using standard/default type setups on the service.

I had my entire LAN (6 machines) set up with hardcoded IP addresses,
and zero DHCP, because... every machine had a modem, if it had to
access the Internet... PPP... not PPPoE.

When I got DSL, I had to lose the hardcoded IP's and let the
modem/router do its thing, but the modem/router is BSD-based, so it
responded differently to Windows, Red Hat, and OpenBSD... each one had
to be tweaked separately.

I still have a little farting around to do with the LAN, because I am
going to upgrade my SBC account to include at least one static IP, so
I can move my webserver into my OpenBSD box here at home, from its
current location, in a leased FreeBSD box, in Dulles VA, about 1,000
miles away.

I'm constant play with and 'improving' my LAN... some people have a
boat they pour money and time into, I have computers.<g>

>> OpenBSD is non-automatic in the extreme.

N> I worked a little with OpenBSD a while back but ended up shelving it.  One
N> of the many times in the last 10+ years I've tried to really sit down and
N> learn the inside-out on the *NIX OSes.

I like it. It is very straightforward. I am keeping it totally
stripped down, and locked down, because all I will be using it for is
a web server, and some *nix coding... mostly for the server.

N> So much technology, so little time!  :)

This is a true statement.<g>


-wittig
website: http://www.robertwittig.com/
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