All this was not even mentioning that the Linux OS Mobile Computer - Android - has the worst track record in mobile computers for malware infection. I operate two Windows Mobile Computers and have been in Windows Mobile Security since 2002. Linux mobile is approaching simply being called a joke ! HOT off the presses (newest internet news publication post) :
Android now top mobile malware platform ComputerWeekly.com The share of Android-based malicious programs among all mobile malware is more than 46%, and growing rapidly, according to security firm Kaspersky Lab. The researchers say this is not surprising due to the platform's leading market share, ... http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2011/10/28/248306/Android-now-top-mobile-malware-platform.htm Android (operating system) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29 "Android is an operating system for mobile devices such as smartphones and tablet computers. It is developed by the Open Handset Alliance led by Google.... Android consists of a kernel based on the Linux kernel, with middleware, libraries and APIs written in C and application software running on an application framework which includes Java-compatible libraries based on Apache Harmony. ...." FYI For Your Information.... In hardball with a User promoting the opinion that Linux security is FUD, Snake Oil, Promoted by Alarmists, etc etc etc .... we have a contest to Name The Rock The User Just Crawled Out From Under lol. Take a wild guess where all the cross platform infection is going to come from in Linux ? (Infection from mobile to desktop and vice versa designs) . That leaves the Symbian mobile nightmare in the dust. SEE... http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Symbian&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#pq=symbian&hl=en&sugexp=kjrmc&cp=15&gs_id=1b&xhr=t&q=Symbian+malware&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&client=ubuntu&hs=SsK&channel=fs&biw=1024&bih=575&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=Symbian+malware&aq=0&aqi=g1g-v3&aql=f&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=8562193df683b6ce gerald philly pa usa ME http://rss.groups.yahoo.com/group/LinuxDucks/rss (Group Owner) On 10/28/2011 08:42 PM, g.linuxducks wrote: > If I didn't know better from your posts in this group I would have > assumed you were a computer security dummy. > QUOTEd > <<<AV software in Linux is a redundancy, IMO. You will get people > saying otherwise, but there is little conviction in them or their > argument.>>> > > Way back when with Linux and malware it might be called FUD > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fud > > Today virtually straight across the board in all security circles > (obviously) and publications (news sources, blogs, articles, etc. ) > admittedly malware is a concern with Linux now and obviously Apple/Mac > others. I know that for two reasons. I do windows amateur forensics > and now involved in Linux and as well I read a zillion RSS News Feeds > by Professionals and Experts practically daily. I have maintained a > computer security site since 2005 and can assure you playing ostrich > with Linux malware will not make it go away. Linux and botnets are a > study in themselves. > > I am well aware of Klam and Clam as only so-so or fair to very fair > chronically in their detection abilities. With Linux when you go to > Synaptics Package Manager you can really add a lot to Clam including > the Third Party Definitions from a handful of the most prestigious > security companies in the world. These fill a void until Clam catches > up. As well there are more and more to add for pop mail and web based > mail scanning. > > Now I am not engaging any can of worms here. I indeed appreciate your > comments. I absolutely do not agree with them but will say in reality > I lean towards it is currently a blue moon chance of getting infected > on Linux. There is now spyware for Linux. > > Because of your entire views stated but particular where you stated .... > <<<"...there is little conviction in them or their argument....>>> > I may say off the bat you are very very very uninformed in Linux > security. And that's okay. And that's not okay if you are someone who > knows better and wish to spread help and awareness - meaning you try > and keep users informed. It's not okay when a friend gets preyed upon > by malware cyber criminals. You try and help. Knowledge in security > computing no matter what system is a starting place. > > I am walking through this once because I know you are probably adamant > in your position but I feel compelled as a fellow user to offer > another view. Of course it is up to you to freely make up your mind as > to what is real or a convenient truth. > > Let me just through this and that towards you as I assume you are not > aware - and because you feel there is no substance to any reality of > Linux malware being any threat.... > > Let's start with you mentioned QUOTEd <<<AV software in Linux is a > redundancy>>> and that BitDefender for Linux is better. Go to > BitDefender Linux and sure enough it says on the front page... > > QUOTEd http://www.bitdefender.com/business/antivirus-for-unices.html > "Linux is no longer immune to security threats ..... > Linux operating systems have been considered less vulnerable than > Windows systems for many years but the myth that they are immune to > virus attack is completely false. > The Linux platforms early low instance of attacks was primarily due to > the lack of root access required for malware to infiltrate the system, > the Linux communities ability to quickly patch vulnerabilities, and > the low adoption rate of Linux in the corporate network. This made > Linux a lower priority target for the writers of malware. However, > that priority is changing quickly as the platforms popularity across > sectors increases......" UNQUOTED > > Sophos and Eset for Linux have both won the VB100 Award for Linux > antimalware. Do you understand what that means ? It means there is > many malwares that will infect Linux that have been thrown at these > company products in lab testing of the product ability to defend and > protect. BOTH of those got 100 percent protection in the tests with > the legal right to display the VB100 logo on their products which is > the most prestigious award available to antivirus companies. > > These are NOT proof of concept malwares. These are not simulated from > fantasy. These are actual real threats they get tested on as well as > facsimiles of various malwares. These products (above mentioned) have > Real Time Protection processes for Linux - NOT simply stand alone on > demand reactive scanning for threats on Linux. Preemptive heuristics > for both virus and spyware category threats with Linux. > > So I must say to your statement and only in the friendliness of > discussion.... > QUOTED <<< First point to make is that you do not need to have any AV > in Linux.>>> > NO the first point to make in real world as opinion and fact of > virtually the entire security and news industry is that we as users > MUST observe that a malware infection is quite possible and possibly > probable now. This is truth sworn and testified to by the above > mentioned meaning it is FACT not fiction FUD or Proof Of Concept. > > For sake of discussion ONLY have I replied but simply to your main > comment about Linux security being "...not much conviction in their > argument..." > I propose no "argument" at all but to state to you as an assumed Linux > security dummy (friendly phrase) that indeed as FACT that Linux > malware and the probability of infection exists and is indeed > inevitable. Case in point for a Linux security dummy is "How do you > know your Linux system and files are not infected right now by Linux > spyware ?" > > The most basic introduction to FACT not argument is right here.... > Linux malware > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses > CLIP: > "The number of malicious programs --- including viruses, Trojans, and > other threats --- specifically written for Linux has been on the > increase in recent years and more than doubled during 2005 from 422 to > 863" > > Some may laugh because Windows viruses have passed one million not to > long ago and spyware catagory threats are double that now or in other > words there is a 3 Million chance on Windows as opposed to less than a > 1,000 chances on Linux of getting infected by malware. Who is safer ? > Nooooo question - Linux obviously. And that is said with the idea that > it is assumed the User understands the neccessity to continually > perform computer maintanance which includes malware scanning either > hourly, daily, weekly, or monthly. > > I recommend you join the Ubuntu security mail by Canonical. Surely you > do not believe Ubuntu and Canonical are just making arguements rather > than facts about Linux security ! ! ! Then they would be wasting > millions and millions of dollars over the years for all the Security > Updates/Patches/Fix issued by them for Ubuntu Linux, right ? > > IN THE NEWS.... http://www.linuxsecurity.com/ > Linux Advisory Watch: October 28th, 2011 > Source: IT Pro Portal - Posted by Dave Wreski > Hacks/Cracks > Recently, ESET and Sophos security researchers found out that hackers > are trying to transfer an old backdoor Trojan from Linux to the latest > Apple Mac OS X platform. By doing this the hackers are trying to > expand their reach of PCs which they will be able to use for botnets. > > Do you see that ? Two things ? Number one "LinuxSecurity.Com and > 'Linux Advisory Watch" - these are Professionals in the Security > field who know everything a Linux computer security dummy does not. > Agreed ? Linux security and malware are not a popularity contest as to > who makes the best argument. They report facts and inferred opinion. > They exhibit samples - real factual samples - not best arguable > suppositions and surmisings of making best guesses about Linux malware > to be one's belief and Linux security status and then as it's stated > view to be considered real world facts. > > Secondly above did you see it ? QUOTE "...old backdoor Trojan from > Linux...." Do you see it ? OLD Linux malware (and very dangerous, > backdoor trojans are). This is FACT. It is not there reality that they > are trying to make some believable ARGUEMENT (as you say) of some > fantasy or proof of concept malware threat to Linux - BUT a for real > one from days and days ago as very very very well known to > Professionals and Experts in Linux Security. > > Hopefully this reply post is received as intended as nothing personal > or defamatory or anything BUT to make discussion of a very intense and > lengthy subject affecting all computer users. Possibly others are > reading these as interesting and may even add. > > I will not engage anything else to the contrary as I stated I have > been in computing security and have seen your EXACT type view on both > Windows and Linux for several years as well as many many many others > including the entire security software industry, caring and concerned > professionals in security news, and the USA Government with their > agencies and publications to the public to engage them in awareness > and learning about the grave threat by cyber criminals through their > malwares that can not only destroy computers but peoples lives as well > financially. We most times it seems do not get through to assumed > ostriches that refuse to admit the threat is real no matter what OS > (operating system) you operate. > > NEWS > New Mac Trojan Proves There's No Such Thing as a Malware-Proof Platform > eWeek > *It's time to accept the fact that any operating system can be > attacked by malware.* We've been hearing the stories for years about > how Apple's Macintosh is immune to malware. For years I've heard the > smug claims from Mac owners about how it's too bad ... > http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/New-Mac-Trojan-Proves-Theres-No-Such-Thing-as-a-Malware-Proof-Platform-180787/ > > That should be the new dialogue for Users with your view and opinion.... > "It's time to accept the fact that any operating system can be > attacked by malware." > It is EVERYBODY else's ! Including mine. > > That is only one article from one day among thousands on every day > yearly year in and year out. NOT meant as any substance to making a > "better argument" than yours that " there is little conviction in them > or their argument." as you stated. > > I SINCERELY HOPE I personally have offered any Linux security > knowledge or beginnings to you and that as webmaster of the > BlueCollarPC.US with over 6 million users since 2005 as WE always say > "Have a Safe Computing Day" ! ! > > I would be happy to discuss actual Linux security with anyone but NOT > whether it exists or not. Fruitless and > I hope as well I made that absolutely clear. For any posting that - > well I have said enough that has addressed that already and anyone in > the know could write you a library of information. > > TIP: Talking about virtualization, I have done a forensics in the R2 > Windows 2008 Server patch area on Vista ... > https://bluecollarpcwebs.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/new-amatuer-forensics-build-in-progress-nimrod-botnet/ > Your dummy speech is not at all fool proof but far from it to today's > sophisticated cyber criminals. Piece of cake. Virtualization is NOT a > defense. Fatal error. > > gerald philly pa usa > http://bluecollarpc.us/ > > On 10/28/2011 08:16 AM, Roy wrote: >> You are right about klam. First point to make is that you do not need to >> have any AV in Linux. The only reason to do so is to protect Windows >> contacts. There are no Linux viruses in the wild and it is dubious that it >> can harm your computer through Wine, which lacks many of the things that >> viruses exploit such as Active X and it does not have the same structure in >> the dummy c drive and you can copy your dummy c drive and just delete any >> infected drive. AV software in Linux is a redundancy, IMO. You will get >> people saying otherwise, but there is little conviction in them or their >> argument. >> >> The second point is that Clam is not rated very highly. Bit Defender is >> given higher ratings. If you want to use Clam there is Clamtk and the >> nautilus clam scanner extension in the repos.KDE has been quite aggressive >> in weeding out older KDE 3 based apps like Klam and Klibido (usenet client). >> >> Finally while I like your enthusiasm 11.04 is not considered a strong >> representative of Ubuntu. It is an in-between version. 10.04 is great and >> 10.10 is better, but 11.04 used a GNOME 2.x base and built Unity on it >> and nothing worked well and that turned people against Unity. They should >> have kept GNOME 2.x and had Unity as a sidebar that people could play with. >> Now with 11.10 Unity is where it belongs. It is build on top of GNOME 3 and >> it uses either Mutter (Unity 2D) or Compiz (Unity) depending on your card's >> capabilities. The transition from Mutter to Compiz in 11.04 was not good and >> Unity 2D was not quite ready. >> >> That is both my opinion and my experience. I read hundreds of feeds a day >> and followed both Natty and Oneiric reviews closely and used both versions. >> Most analysts had it right on. Unity is a good idea, but it was only half >> baked in 11.04. >> >> That is not to suggest that you should switch to 11.10 if you are happy. >> Just know that Unity is getting better and it works decently in 11.10 and I >> could see using it on a full time basis. I also believe that with the kind >> of resources that Canonical has and their passion that Unity will (has) >> surpass (ed) GNOME sHell and will be with front runner. People who doubt >> Canonical and their resolve invariably are proven wrong. They may make >> mistakes (in releasing something too early) but they get things done and >> they do it right in the long term. They are the de facto leaders in Linux. I >> say that as a happy Kubuntu user. I like the slower pace and being left >> alone. Kubuntu is part of Canonical but KDE developers predominate. We are >> the unloved child and that is fine by me. The KDE people are doing a great >> job and Canonical is smart enough to get out of the way. >> >> Roy >> >> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit >> Location: Canada >> >> >> On 27 October 2011 17:51, g.linuxducks<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> Hello Ian, Roy..... (just saying hi, still a new-ish member) I have a >>> sort of "reading room" forum that I continually post stuff to like a >>> squirrel hut. Indeed I had posted a good handful of in-the-news- items >>> about Ubuntu 11.04 . >>> >>> I have been following Ubuntu for several years back to about the time >>> they came out with Wubi as a "prototype" - not as some beta or >>> something. I got that to run okay. Well things lead to Ubuntu being >>> about the first, if not actually the first, to come out with the Netbook >>> Edition for Linux - Ubuntu Linux. This was the Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS >>> Netbook Edition and it worked like a charm on an EEE PC 900 Netbook I >>> have. (Only 12 Gig solid state drive ! ) >>> >>> Okay so said all that to say this. The Ubuntu 11.04 is the first release >>> (and all after) now that has consolidated the download / install as an >>> all-in-one download. There will no longer be a separate Netbook Edition. >>> Installing 11.04 (and after) to a netbook will be automatically detected >>> to install the correct optimized version for netbooks. Immediately below >>> is an news article about this. As well it has been posted around by >>> Ubuntu (maybe Canonical too) somewhere - most likely at their sites, >>> forums, and blogs. (I didn't have those links). Below that article are a >>> good handful of articles to check out for this new release, although now >>> not the latest. >>> BTW by the way I am running Ubuntu 11.04 myself for months now after >>> upgrading from 10.10. I really like it. Navigation is so fast with >>> simply the hover over / hide navigation of desktop links, bar. Very >>> sleek and fast. >>> >>> ((( I can not find Klam antivirus for download which was available in >>> previous versions in the Software Repository (Ubuntu Software). Clam >>> antivirus is available. Klam works on KDE I believe but has a heck of >>> interface with in house malware library and other features Clam does >>> not. ))) >>> >>> Ubuntu 11.04 will be Optimized for All Platforms >>> Techtree.com >>> Installing Ubuntu Linux on a netbook entailed a search for the latest >>> version of the specially optimized netbook editions. This will be a >>> thing of the past as Ubuntu is doing away with different optimizations >>> of the base Ubuntu version. ... >>> >>> http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Ubtunu_1104_will_be_Optimised_for_All_Platforms/551-114764-580.html >>> >>> Ubuntu 11.04 - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly >>> ZDNet UK (blog) >>> By JA Watson , 30 April, 2011 08:22 Various thoughts and adventures, >>> including but not limited to Linux, assorted bits of hardware new and >>> old, and occasionally Windows XP/Vista/7. I've just been reading the >>> comments to my previous post, ... >>> >>> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-mostly-linux-stuff-10006480/ubuntu-1104-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-10022334/ >>> >>> Ubuntu 11.04 Adds OpenStack to Linux >>> InternetNews.com >>> By Sean Michael Kerner: More stories by this author: The Ubuntu 11.04 >>> Linux release is due out next week and with it will debut a new open >>> source cloud platform. >>> The Ubuntu 'Natty' release will include OpenStack, which is an open >>> source effort that ... >>> >>> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3931556/Ubuntu+1104+Adds+OpenStack+to+Linux.htm >>> >>> New Nvidia Linux Driver Supports Ubuntu 11.04 - Softpedia >>> The driver will indeed support other linux distros as it always has. >>> It supports the X.org version that Ubuntu uses and that is what the >>> author of the ... >>> >>> http://news.softpedia.com/news/New-Nvidia-Linux-Driver-Supports-Ubuntu-11-04-196264.shtml >>> >>> Ubuntu 11.04 - Notes, Tips and Warnings >>> ZDNet UK (blog) >>> By JA Watson , 29 April, 2011 10:30 Various thoughts and adventures, >>> including but not limited to Linux, assorted bits of hardware new and >>> old, and occasionally Windows XP/Vista/7. As anyone who has any interest >>> in Linux at all knows (and most of those ... >>> >>> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-mostly-linux-stuff-10006480/ubuntu-1104-notes-tips-and-warnings-10022328/ >>> >>> SOURCES >>> http://linuxducks.free-forums.org/linux-news-and-views-vf14.html >>> Homehttp://linuxducks.free-forums.org/index.php >>> >>> >>> On 10/25/2011 08:23 AM, Ian wrote: >>>> Roy while I may not use them all I and perhaps other would like to know >>>> what some of the more useful features in 11.04 do and where to find them. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ian > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please email [email protected] & you will be removed.Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LINUX_Newbies/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LINUX_Newbies/join (Yahoo! 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