There is a typo in the above. The first line should be then err on the side of caution.
Roy Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit Location: Canada On 30 October 2011 17:13, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: > If anyone is unsure, the DO err on the side of caution. You are right. As > you use Linux then you will see what I said about being not worth the > effort. If I was a good citizen then I would care about spreading viruses > to Windows users. While I can' t be infected I can still be a carrier. If > you are conscientious, then this is a serious consideration. I am a bit > jaded about Windows. I figure that people get what they deserve. That may > sound harsh, but we need to burn our fingers a few times before we learn to > avoid fire. > > I appreciate your thoughts. It makes me remember how I once felt. It is > not wrong to feel like protecting others. I just feel the futility of it > when I know how big the problem is and how little MS cares about users or > security. Their answer is UEFI (not their invention, just their > excuse)which is like wrapping Swiss cheese in a zip lock. You can keep > things out but it is still Swiss cheese inside. Once you open the bag you > will risk mold and contamination. If they really cared then they would fill > the ziplock with something more substantial. > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/sep/28/windows-8-secure-boot-worry > > Roy > > Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit > Location: Canada > > > On 29 October 2011 20:06, G.LinuxDucks <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Well thanks Roy. I was hoping this did not get taken wrong to be >> anything other than how it turned out as some civil discussion. I >> appreciate you taking the time and sharing your extensive experience - a >> veteran now 10 year user of Linux. Anyone can plainly see you had/have >> no reason to lie about anything and your long experience is the great >> value here. You have made many good points. I think your views are most >> common over all with most Linux users. The only thing different with my >> view basically I think is being a Windows user an making the decision to >> err on the side of caution. They call us the windows paranoa spilling >> over to Linux as a newer user which is not an exaggeration. >> >> Very honestly for the heck of it I wish you would try ESET for Linux. It >> is full free for a 30 day trial to decide to buy or not. With your >> experience I think you would be much abler to discern what is going on. >> Honest and honest no lie - it is like it is not even there once >> installed. (I have tried AVG which left Linux unusable and had to remove >> it, too bogged down. Stunk on Ubuntu 10.04) >> >> But the only reason I suggest this is that ESET for Linux has Real Time >> Protection (heuristics) and displays stuff like "Blocked Attempts" in >> real time while browsing. It may or may not strengthen or change your >> position. I was shocked at seeing real time browsing threats blocked on >> my Linux. I simply could not believe it. I am a daily user myself and >> spend no less than an hour daily. All kinds of activities which is why >> also I mention this. >> >> The other thing about Linux antivirus you will find in ESET what you >> were talking about. ESET is a more quality product. It scans in real >> time everything you open and close. Everything including email. These >> are user settings. You can trim it back or nudge it forward into levels >> of intensity for monitoring in real time all things as well as on demand >> scans. In other words, because of its quality, is why it wan the VB100 >> Award. >> >> I am not trying to change your mind at all ---- just actually my >> position is to finally know Linux like the back of my hand as I do >> Windows and security-wise. I can manually find any malware in a Windows >> machine. I can not yet do that with Linux. To this area only is why I am >> suggesting you try ESET for Linux and I think you will be very surprised >> as to what you think is secure. This has been my experience with Linux >> so far. I have never seen anyone from Linux anywhere call the >> VirusBulletin Labs liars who have tested and "certified" ESET as 100 >> percent protection against actual real time threats. I mean obviously >> they could even possibly be up for lible suits etc, but in the least VB >> is one of the most honest independent testing labs in the world for >> years on end. If they lied they would be an internet laughing stock in >> other words. No one has ever talked that way about them. I trust their >> findings 99.9999 percent acurate. >> >> If I wanted to make my point with your view which I do not, I would >> mention that about VirusBulletin .... >> http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/index >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_Bulletin >> ....my point would be this is what is called "imperical data" >> indisputable and fact. Anyone saying otherwise would be assumed under a >> mental condition or ignorant period. In other words in every court of >> law in the world their findings about ESET and Linux malware would be >> fact and expert opinion. Any Linux user without this background simply >> can not state their "opinion" as anything other than that - thoughts or >> impressions etc. When corrected with these cold facts - it is supposed >> to educate them to a more truer view of truth. It would be assumed they >> then would speak the same with a modified or changed or enhanced opinion. >> The point I am trying to make is you had continually said there are no >> facts available for Linux malware. Well there most certainly is - >> indisputable facts that if you did not believe would have to prove in a >> court of law thay they were lies or incorrect in some manner. am >> guessing you are not an expert in Linux and malware so that until you >> were there would be no way your opinion could be accepted as otherwise >> than simply spreading ignorance and a false sense of comp[uting security >> endangering other susceptible users. But like I said I am not trying to >> make this point but would be my smoking gun for anyone denying the >> malware threat today to Linux. >> In short this would mean who do you think you are kidding - yourself or >> others ? You are saying Virus Bulletin Labs are full of poop ? That >> there is no danger to the average user and they should not then install >> defense ? Particularly Real Time Protection (heuristics) defense ? Do >> you even know what Real Time Protection processes are ? blah blah blah.... >> >> Again, thank you very much for sharing your experiences and are >> beneficial to myself and to others I am sure that may be reading along. >> >> gerald philly pa usa >> http://linuxducks.webs.com/ >> >> >> On 10/29/2011 8:36 AM, Roy wrote: >> > I did say that people will say otherwise. Meaning that it is my >> opinion. I >> > did not state it as fact. I disagree with your position. Quoting Bit >> > Defender and other sites like it who have a vested interest or magazines >> > that like sensationalism is not proof of anything. Microsoft will tell >> you >> > that Windows is secure.anybody can say what they want, but it does not >> make >> > it true. >> > >> > I base my OPINION on using Linux for over 10 years almost exclusively. I >> > have had a broadband (always on) connection for all of that time. I use >> the >> > internet extensively. I download through bittorrent and usenet. I have >> three >> > browsers open at once most of the time. I get email from Windows users. >> And >> > I have never had a single problem. That is not proof of anything, but >> it is >> > my experience and the experience of almost every Linux user. In fact, I >> have >> > never met anyone having had a malware or virus issue. I have hundreds of >> > followers on on just about every social media site. I have hundreds of >> RSS >> > feeds that I read daily. I listen to just about every Linux podcast >> there is >> > and there are dozens. It is not like I am deaf to what is happening. >> > >> > There are only a handful of Linux viruses and none in the wild. None has >> > been reported for years and none has spread from one user to another. >> > Malware is a potential threat, but Linux is sandboxed with userspace and >> > root being separate. Any malware would have trouble infecting root >> unless >> > you provide access. There is no case of this happening that I am aware >> of. I >> > am not saying that it can't happen, but it is unlikely. Linux is not >> perfect >> > and users are the weak link, but because of the way it is structured >> and it >> > is hard to infect and even harder to spread, so people who do this sort >> of >> > thing are unlikely to go to the trouble. They pick the low hanging >> fruit, >> > which is not Linux. >> > >> > I have tried AV software and it is more trouble than it is worth, >> especially >> > considering two things, the lack of threat and the fact that it must be >> used >> > manually to scan incoming files. Anybody suggesting an imminent threat >> is >> > either spreading FUD or has a vested interest, IMO.<--- note >> > >> > Users can decide for themselves. This is not gospel, just an opinion >> and I >> > worded it that way. I caution users, especially Windows users who are >> used >> > to serious threats, that Linux is different. The level of threat is not >> the >> > same and the lack of resources to combat threats is lacking because of >> it. >> > There are Linux applications for everything. The lack of support for AV >> and >> > malware is not indicative of carelessness nor a shortcoming. It is >> > indicative of the lack of need. >> > >> > Roy >> > Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit >> > Location: Canada >> > >> > >> > On 28 October 2011 20:42, g.linuxducks<[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> -------------------------CUT----------------------------CUT----------------------------/ >> >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please email [email protected] & you will be removed.Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LINUX_Newbies/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LINUX_Newbies/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
