> I have been taught, in programming web applications:
> 1. separate code from data
> 2. separate code from presentation
> in short: three layers:
> 1. database
> 2. business logic
> 3. presentation

Whoever said you couldn't do all that in PHP?

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> with a proper templating language, you cant do these things. So 90% of
> your security problems are solved. In php you can do this. You can embed
> sql queries in your html pages and do all sorts of things - so how can
> you learn good practices? I try to train the programmers i get - and the
> ones who come from php background drive me crazy.

The fact that needles hurt people doesn't stop companies from
manufacturing because they are *useful*. Just because PHP *allows* you
to embed random pieces of HTML anywhere, doesn't mean you do it. There
at-least a thousand frameworks and templating systems for PHP out there.

And I can think of certain cases where you might just want to, for
example when you're making your "Personal Home Page" and you don't give
a damn about things like MVC because you don't know how to program.

And NO, you don't need to a *super hacker* to write good PHP, you just
need some common sense. I don't see why it is difficult to write good
code in PHP; it's just like any other language.

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