scrapo wrote:
> If you cant exceed, then how is it a cap ? And what is the purpose of a 
> cap ? To prevent accounting error ?
>   

Its a soft cap. Its near 100% of your theoretical usage which is 
impossible for a normal user to exceed. So cap higher than your 
theoretical maximum usage is as good as unlimited, that was my point.

> Nope. You are wrong. The american internet users are very frustrated 
> with caps and specially since they are not communicated or even 
>   
Nah...
> competition, they have none. If you are not happy, you can not do 
> anything about it. if you complain loudly, you are going to be the only 
> one on the block without a connection.
>   
I didnt get a chance to complain.
> I have friends and clients in USA who confirm this and there is plenty 
> of articles on this online if you wish to check.
>   
*I* *am* currently in the US. I've been dealing with Comcast for the 
past 10 months. No chance to complain. Only once the bank mucked up my 
payment. They disconnected without a notice. A single call to their CC. 
Connection was on since I had promised to pay. Do you hear of such 
things in India?

> There are more horror stories there than here.
> Ofcourse, their level of expectation is much different. But that is like 
> saying that American as 2 cars per person, we have 1 for 10 people 
> ...... not a fair compare.
>   
Indian companies have no sense of customer satisfaction. They're just to 
con you. American companies too do it. But its at a different level.

> yes, they are offering a plan for Rs. 200 (US$ 4 per month) which is a 
> rate you will not find in USA. This is a plan that is meant for light 
> home users, people who are only going to use it to check their emails 
>   
Sorry, you're *wrong*. That Rs.200 is a pathetic joke and you as a 
lawyer shouldn't have fallen for it. I'm still assuming you're a lawyer.

Lets do some math. My daily usage is:

1. I watch about 10 youtube videos daily. Each video is about 50MB = 
500MB usage.
2. I download updates, surf, download content daily = ~4-5GB = 4096 - 
5120MB usage.
3. I do video conferencing daily = ~100MB of usage.
4. Miscellaneous = ~1GB = 1024MB

Total: Approximately 5.7GB daily.

Comcast: $49.99 ( a month )
MTNL: Rs.5400 * 30 days = ~Rs.160,000 = ~$3250 ( a month )

Wow...India is surely rich. Ok, lets compare the flat rate plans. MTNL's 
2Mbps unlimited costs Rs.9999 = ~$200 a month! And you get less than 1/4 
the speed that comcast offers.

My usage is reasonable. Even if you halve it, it still works out to $200 
for MTNL and $50 for comcast.

> you want more usage, take a better plan. Whats stopping you ?
>   
$200 for a 2Mbps unlimited connection? No thanks! With MTNL's level of 
customer care, its shitty. I've heard horror stories about comcast too 
but after witnessing their service for almost a year I've found it to be 
very good. It too has its flaws though.
> is put up. We are business users, and we do not go and download movies 
> so we dont need 500gb downloads.
>   
Uh...your business doesn't need it. What about others who transfer large 
data files or have offsite backups? hmm..? What about a home user 
wanting to work from home?

> Really ? Why not instead switch to someone who is going to give you 
> better facility ?
> And be prepared to pay for what you are going to use.
>   

There isn't any. Theres zero competition. Search the linuxer's archive. 
I've been ranting about Airtel not wiring up my building for last 4 
years. Go figure! Its a MONOPOLY!!

> Reliance owns flag, which has 10K TB of bandwidth. True, but how much of 
> it terminates in India ?
> Airtel has put its own fiber on east coast to connect to the main pipes 
> through singapore.
> Tata is a partner of one of the large fiber groups due to ownership of 
> vsnl. they hold the rights to build landing stations and will be sole 
> channel for selling that bandwidth in India for 10 years (must be coming 
> to an end soon, this is old story).
>   

They own and control a large share of international bandwith in South 
East Asia. It isn't a big deal for them to terminate some more in India. 
Unless ofcourse theres already plenty and they dont need to! Hence my 
argument of artificial scarcity.


> you expect the lady to do ? Create one for you ?
>   

I repeat. That was an anecdote. It was at a time that Delhi got 
unlimited plans and Mumbai was also supposed to get. I have nothing 
against MTNL. They've provided good service. ( I'm saying this despite 
my connection @ Mumbai not working! ).

- Dinesh
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