Hearing horror stories about people getting their laptops searched and even a few about people being held responsible for pirated music(don't know how they prove that one) and movies before I took a flight earlier Not that i had any movie downloads to watch on the plane (looks left and right), but I moved some xvid files into a "..." named folder. that way it was completely hidden so if anyone just poked their nose around they'd see nothing out of the ordinary.
I could have used gpg, but it didn't seem like that big of a deal. Michael Gorman On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1692129062873726062 > They Took My Laptop! Search and Seizure Explained > > This talk is from Shmoocon V 2009 called "They Took My Laptop! Search and > Seizure Explained" > The talk is actually pretty annoying because the speaker answers questions > as they come instead of waiting until the end, but it is still pretty > interesting. He discusses the 4th and 5th amendment and how they relate to > search and seizure. It is directly related to this post. > > The part I found most interesting was his explanation of passwords being > protected by the 5th amendment. After watching this I think encrypting > private date is more important then ever. I have never had my laptop > questioned at a border or airport but it sounds like it is happening more > and more. > > Chris... > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:06 PM, David Kaiser <dkai...@cdk.com> wrote: > >> Great... now those of us that are purely interested in protecting our >> private information will be lumped together with pedophiles and porn >> freaks. >> >> Why couldn't the first case of this been from someone who had passworded >> their drive to protect their business documents or even just merely >> wanted to protect their e-mails and family photos or something? >> >> Obviously, I'm still the type that would encrypt a completely empty >> drive with nothing on it, just because I have the capabilities and right >> to. It just sucks that will be viewed by the authorities as if I have >> something to hide, rather than it being accepted as standard practice. >> >> >> >> Chris Louden wrote: >> > Blast from the past... bringing this thread back from the dead. >> > >> > Just saw this on /. >> http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/08/19/2028235.shtml >> > >> > Judge Rules Man Cannot Be Forced To Decrypt HD >> > >> > "In Vermont, US Magistrate Judge Jerome Niedermeier has ruled that >> > forcing someone to divulge the password to decrypt their hard drive >> > violates the 5th Amendment. Border guards testify that they saw child >> > pornography on the defendant's laptop when the PC was on, but they >> > made the mistake of turning it off and were unable to access it again >> > because the drive was protected by PGP. Although prosecutors offered >> > many ways to get around the 5th Amendment protections, the Judge would >> > have none of that and quashed the grand jury subpoena requesting the >> > defendant's PGP passphrase. A conviction is still likely because >> > prosecutors have the testimony of the two border guards who saw the >> > drive while it was open." >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Peter Manis <ma...@digital39.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> It came up at work again and this link was referenced along with the >> >> following quote off of slashdot. Now I am not 100% sure where it came >> from, >> >> but if it is true, it should get very interesting and would make things >> a >> >> lot worse than just having your laptop stolen from you by the >> government. >> >> >> >> "Federal agents may take a traveler's laptop or other electronic device >> to >> >> an off-site location for an unspecified period of time without any >> suspicion >> >> of wrongdoing, as part of border search policies the Department of >> Homeland >> >> Security recently disclosed. Also, officials may share copies of the >> >> laptop's contents with other agencies and private entities for language >> >> translation, data decryption, or other reasons, according to the >> policies, >> >> dated July 16 and issued by two DHS agencies, US Customs and Border >> >> Protection and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement... DHS officials >> said >> >> that the newly disclosed policies — which apply to anyone entering the >> >> country, including US citizens — are reasonable and necessary to >> prevent >> >> terrorism... The policies cover 'any device capable of storing >> information >> >> in digital or analog form,' including hard drives, flash drives, cell >> >> phones, iPods, pagers, beepers, and video and audio tapes. They also >> cover >> >> 'all papers and other written documentation,' including books, >> pamphlets and >> >> 'written materials commonly referred to as "pocket trash..."'" >> >> >> >> >> http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/travel/admissability/search_authority.ctt/search_authority.pdf >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Things seem to be getting worse....... >> >>> >> >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10004646-38.html >> >>> Homeland Security: We can seize laptops for an indefinite period >> >>> >> >>> The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has concocted a remarkable >> >>> new policy: It reserves the right to seize for an indefinite period of >> >>> time laptops taken across the border. >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Here is another Article on this topic from the EFF. They discuss the >> >>>> issue and some of the things going on. >> >>>> Reference: >> >>>> https://ftp.eff.org/press/archives/2008/05/01 >> >>>> >> >>>> Interesting Quote from this article: >> >>>> "Americans should know how and why electronic data is seized and kept >> >>>> by the government, and who is able to access it at the border and in >> >>>> the years afterwards." >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Chris >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> This law is so bad for america. >> >>>>> I will not give my password to a US customs agent as long as Im a >> >>>>> citizen. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The sad thing is, now that all the child pron freaks are aware of >> this >> >>>>> law, they >> >>>>> can surely find a way to get around it, leaving the rest of >> americans >> >>>>> compromised. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The 16GB SD card is a great idea, however I dont think they are >> going >> >>>>> to buy >> >>>>> "If someone does discover it, you can try saying: I don't know >> what's >> >>>>> on there. My boss told me to give it to the head of the New York >> >>>>> office." >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Chris... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM, David Kaiser <dkai...@cdk.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Saw this related article on /. today... >> >>>>>> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/05/15/1551246.shtml >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Direct link to the referenced article is here: >> >>>>>> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/may/15/computing.security >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I typically regard Bruce Schneier's opinion highly - he seems to >> echo >> >>>>>> a lot of >> >>>>>> what Chris and Peter and others were saying on our discussion here. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Jeff Lasman wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Tuesday 06 May 2008 12:21 pm, Chris Louden wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> You can't be forced to incriminate yourself/provide password. The >> >>>>>>>> court could put the costs of decrypting your system they incur on >> >>>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>> though. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >From where do you get that perception? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Jeff >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> LinuxUsers mailing list >> >>>>>> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >> >>>>>> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem >> to >> >>>>> be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." >> >>>>> -Roger Penrose >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem >> to >> >>>> be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." >> >>>> -Roger Penrose >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem to >> >>> be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." >> >>> -Roger Penrose >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> LinuxUsers mailing list >> >>> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >> >>> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> LinuxUsers mailing list >> >> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >> >> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> LinuxUsers mailing list >> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >> > > > > -- > "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem to be > continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." > -Roger Penrose > > _______________________________________________ > LinuxUsers mailing list > LinuxUsers@socallinux.org > http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers > >
