Interesting update: ACLU Sues DHS over Laptop Searches http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352055,00.asp
"The American Civil Liberties Union on Wednesday(in august) sued the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to uncover documents related to laptop searches at the border. "The ACLU believes that suspicionless searches of laptops violate the First and Fourth Amendments," the group wrote in the suit, filed in a New York District Court. " On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Chris Penn<cantorm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Surveillance Self-Defense site > https://ssd.eff.org/ > > "Finally, we've collected several articles about specific defensive > technologies that you can use to protect your privacy, which are linked to > from the other sections or can be accessed individually. So, for example, if > you're only looking for information about how to securely delete your files, > or how to use encryption to protect the privacy of your emails or instant > messages, you can just directly visit that article." > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Michael Gorman <craterburns...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hearing horror stories about people getting their laptops searched and >> even a few about people being held responsible for pirated music(don't know >> how they prove that one) and movies before I took a flight earlier Not that >> i had any movie downloads to watch on the plane (looks left and right), but >> I moved some xvid files into a "..." named folder. that way it was >> completely hidden so if anyone just poked their nose around they'd see >> nothing out of the ordinary. >> I could have used gpg, but it didn't seem like that big of a deal. >> Michael Gorman >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1692129062873726062 >>> They Took My Laptop! Search and Seizure Explained >>> >>> This talk is from Shmoocon V 2009 called "They Took My Laptop! Search and >>> Seizure Explained" >>> The talk is actually pretty annoying because the speaker answers >>> questions as they come instead of waiting until the end, but it is still >>> pretty interesting. He discusses the 4th and 5th amendment and how they >>> relate to search and seizure. It is directly related to this post. >>> >>> The part I found most interesting was his explanation of passwords being >>> protected by the 5th amendment. After watching this I think encrypting >>> private date is more important then ever. I have never had my laptop >>> questioned at a border or airport but it sounds like it is happening more >>> and more. >>> >>> Chris... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:06 PM, David Kaiser <dkai...@cdk.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Great... now those of us that are purely interested in protecting our >>>> private information will be lumped together with pedophiles and porn >>>> freaks. >>>> >>>> Why couldn't the first case of this been from someone who had passworded >>>> their drive to protect their business documents or even just merely >>>> wanted to protect their e-mails and family photos or something? >>>> >>>> Obviously, I'm still the type that would encrypt a completely empty >>>> drive with nothing on it, just because I have the capabilities and right >>>> to. It just sucks that will be viewed by the authorities as if I have >>>> something to hide, rather than it being accepted as standard practice. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Louden wrote: >>>> > Blast from the past... bringing this thread back from the dead. >>>> > >>>> > Just saw this on /. >>>> > http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/08/19/2028235.shtml >>>> > >>>> > Judge Rules Man Cannot Be Forced To Decrypt HD >>>> > >>>> > "In Vermont, US Magistrate Judge Jerome Niedermeier has ruled that >>>> > forcing someone to divulge the password to decrypt their hard drive >>>> > violates the 5th Amendment. Border guards testify that they saw child >>>> > pornography on the defendant's laptop when the PC was on, but they >>>> > made the mistake of turning it off and were unable to access it again >>>> > because the drive was protected by PGP. Although prosecutors offered >>>> > many ways to get around the 5th Amendment protections, the Judge would >>>> > have none of that and quashed the grand jury subpoena requesting the >>>> > defendant's PGP passphrase. A conviction is still likely because >>>> > prosecutors have the testimony of the two border guards who saw the >>>> > drive while it was open." >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Peter Manis <ma...@digital39.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> It came up at work again and this link was referenced along with the >>>> >> following quote off of slashdot. Now I am not 100% sure where it >>>> >> came from, >>>> >> but if it is true, it should get very interesting and would make >>>> >> things a >>>> >> lot worse than just having your laptop stolen from you by the >>>> >> government. >>>> >> >>>> >> "Federal agents may take a traveler's laptop or other electronic >>>> >> device to >>>> >> an off-site location for an unspecified period of time without any >>>> >> suspicion >>>> >> of wrongdoing, as part of border search policies the Department of >>>> >> Homeland >>>> >> Security recently disclosed. Also, officials may share copies of the >>>> >> laptop's contents with other agencies and private entities for >>>> >> language >>>> >> translation, data decryption, or other reasons, according to the >>>> >> policies, >>>> >> dated July 16 and issued by two DHS agencies, US Customs and Border >>>> >> Protection and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement... DHS >>>> >> officials said >>>> >> that the newly disclosed policies — which apply to anyone entering >>>> >> the >>>> >> country, including US citizens — are reasonable and necessary to >>>> >> prevent >>>> >> terrorism... The policies cover 'any device capable of storing >>>> >> information >>>> >> in digital or analog form,' including hard drives, flash drives, cell >>>> >> phones, iPods, pagers, beepers, and video and audio tapes. They also >>>> >> cover >>>> >> 'all papers and other written documentation,' including books, >>>> >> pamphlets and >>>> >> 'written materials commonly referred to as "pocket trash..."'" >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/travel/admissability/search_authority.ctt/search_authority.pdf >>>> >> >>>> >> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Things seem to be getting worse....... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10004646-38.html >>>> >>> Homeland Security: We can seize laptops for an indefinite period >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has concocted a remarkable >>>> >>> new policy: It reserves the right to seize for an indefinite period >>>> >>> of >>>> >>> time laptops taken across the border. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Here is another Article on this topic from the EFF. They discuss >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> issue and some of the things going on. >>>> >>>> Reference: >>>> >>>> https://ftp.eff.org/press/archives/2008/05/01 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interesting Quote from this article: >>>> >>>> "Americans should know how and why electronic data is seized and >>>> >>>> kept >>>> >>>> by the government, and who is able to access it at the border and >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> the years afterwards." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> This law is so bad for america. >>>> >>>>> I will not give my password to a US customs agent as long as Im a >>>> >>>>> citizen. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> The sad thing is, now that all the child pron freaks are aware of >>>> >>>>> this >>>> >>>>> law, they >>>> >>>>> can surely find a way to get around it, leaving the rest of >>>> >>>>> americans >>>> >>>>> compromised. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> The 16GB SD card is a great idea, however I dont think they are >>>> >>>>> going >>>> >>>>> to buy >>>> >>>>> "If someone does discover it, you can try saying: I don't know >>>> >>>>> what's >>>> >>>>> on there. My boss told me to give it to the head of the New York >>>> >>>>> office." >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Chris... >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM, David Kaiser <dkai...@cdk.com> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Saw this related article on /. today... >>>> >>>>>> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/05/15/1551246.shtml >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Direct link to the referenced article is here: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/may/15/computing.security >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I typically regard Bruce Schneier's opinion highly - he seems to >>>> >>>>>> echo >>>> >>>>>> a lot of >>>> >>>>>> what Chris and Peter and others were saying on our discussion >>>> >>>>>> here. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Jeff Lasman wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday 06 May 2008 12:21 pm, Chris Louden wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> You can't be forced to incriminate yourself/provide password. >>>> >>>>>>>> The >>>> >>>>>>>> court could put the costs of decrypting your system they incur >>>> >>>>>>>> on >>>> >>>>>>>> you >>>> >>>>>>>> though. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >From where do you get that perception? >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Jeff >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>>> LinuxUsers mailing list >>>> >>>>>> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >>>> >>>>>> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we >>>> >>>>> seem to >>>> >>>>> be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." >>>> >>>>> -Roger Penrose >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." >>>> >>>> -Roger Penrose >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." >>>> >>> -Roger Penrose >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> LinuxUsers mailing list >>>> >>> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >>>> >>> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >>>> >>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> LinuxUsers mailing list >>>> >> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >>>> >> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> LinuxUsers mailing list >>>> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >>>> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem to be >>> continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." >>> -Roger Penrose >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LinuxUsers mailing list >>> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >>> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LinuxUsers mailing list >> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >> > > > > -- > "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem to be > continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." > -Roger Penrose > -- "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem to be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." -Roger Penrose _______________________________________________ LinuxUsers mailing list LinuxUsers@socallinux.org http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers
