If people agree with this, we could add text to reflect this extra check.

Dino

On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Dino Farinacci wrote:

> How about a simpler solution where an ITR at a site does not accept any UDP 
> 4341 packets? So when a host that wants to spoof a source-EID with a valid 
> RLOC in the outer header (so the uRPF check succeeds), can be caught by an 
> non-compromised ITR. 
> 
> Routers today can do this by uRPFing solely on the EIDs and since the RLOC 
> belongs to the ITR itself, anyone at the site originated a packet with that 
> RLOC will uRPF fail.
> 
> Dino
> 
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Patrick Frejborg wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Dino Farinacci <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Also, we do have data-plane gleaning in an ETR specified in the spec. So the
>>> packet could be accepted in an ETR, source-EID and RLOC gleaned, and when
>>> the SYN-ACK is returned, the map-cache can be verified. That way, you put
>>> the mapping database lookup in the place where it is already being done for
>>> other reasons.
>>> 
>>> This is a tough problem. We will probably discuss this next week. Luigi has
>>> an agenda slot to discuss LISP related security threats.
>>> 
>> 
>> Dino,
>> I don't know if this is an appropriate moment to step forward and say
>> that this issue can be mitigated if you give up one of the LISP
>> principles, i.e. no changes to endpoint stacks. If LISP also supports
>> upgraded stacks then the enterprise have a choice - live with the risk
>> of a potential DoS attack or mitigate it for the most important
>> services by upgrading the stack at some endpoints. Of course, both
>> endpoints of a session needs to be upgraded to mitigate the attack.
>> By going after the stack we also gain a bunch of new incentives that
>> enterprises should be interested in.
>> Have a look at RFC 6306 but the new architecture that I'm thinking of
>> is best described in
>> http://www.cs.princeton.edu/research/techreps/TR-885-10
>> LISP is the first important step towards this kind of architecture -
>> thus I don't want to lose it.
>> 
>> Patrick
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