Hi Terry,

Regarding the 5th paragraph of the Draft Charter:

> A number of approaches are being looked at in parallel in the IRTF and
> IETF. At this time, these proposals are at an early stage.

This needs to be updated; here is a proposed rewrite:

  "A number of approaches have been published in parallel in the
   IRTF and IETF. In particular, the IRTF Routing Research Group
   (RRG) has published its recommendations [RFC6115] and design
   goals [RFC6227], and has authorized the publication of three
   solution proposals in IRON [RFC6179], hIPv4 [RFC6306] and
   ILNP [ILNP]."

Thanks - Fred
[email protected]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> Behalf Of Terry Manderson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:05 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [lisp] LISP (re-)Charter discussion
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> In Prague there was no strong consensus on modifying the LISP 
> Charter from
> what it currently is, perhaps only updating the existing 
> Goals/Milestones.
> 
> So no clear decision could be made. What I would like to do 
> is push out a
> 'idea generating' draft charter that is _almost_ identical to 
> what we have
> today. 
> 
> You can find the existing charter here:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/lisp/charter/
> 
> The draft is below.
> 
> So in light of such an approach, Joel and I discussed some 
> work items that
> came from what was said at the mic in Prague and to us individually.
> 
> They are:
> 
> * Finish the deployment document
> * Get the two security documents done
> * Get an operational document at least started, which should include
> cache management and ETR synchronization techniques.
> * Either in the second security document, or in complementary 
> documents we
> need to evaluate the security threat to cache maintenance, and
> evaluate the applicability and coverage we get from a reuse of SIDR
> technology.
> 
> Is anything not represented here that you believe necessary? 
> and conversely
> is there something here that is out of scope in your eyes?
> 
> Are there work areas not covered by the draft below which you 
> believe should
> be?
> 
> Draft Charter
> ------------
> 
> The IAB's October 2006 Routing and Addressing Workshop (RFC 4984)
> rekindled interest in scalable routing and addressing 
> architectures for
> the Internet. Among the many issues driving this renewed interest are
> concerns about the scalability of the routing system and the impending
> exhaustion of the IPv4 address space. Since the IAB workshop, several
> proposals have emerged which attempt to address the concerns expressed
> there and elsewhere. In general, these proposals are based on the
> "locator/identifier separation".
> 
> The basic idea behind the separation is that the Internet architecture
> combines two functions, routing locators, (where you are 
> attached to the
> network) and identifiers (who you are) in one number space: The IP
> address. Proponents of the separation architecture postulate that
> splitting these functions apart will yield several 
> advantages, including
> improved scalability for the routing system. The separation aims to
> decouple locators and identifiers, thus allowing for efficient
> aggregation of the routing locator space and providing persistent
> identifiers in the identifier space.
> 
> LISP supports the separation of the IPv4 and IPv6 address space
> following a network-based map-and-encapsulate scheme (RFC 1955). In
> LISP, both identifiers and locators are IP addresses. In LISP,
> identifiers are composed of two parts: a "global" portion 
> that uniquely
> identifies a particular site and a "local" portion that identifies an
> interface within a site. The "local" portion may be subdivided to
> identify a particular network within the site. For a given identifier,
> LISP maps the "global" portion of the identifier into a set 
> of locators
> that can be used by de-capsulation devices to reach the identified
> interface; as a consequence a host would typically change identifiers
> when it moves from one site to another or whenever it moves from one
> subnet to another within an site. Typically, the same IP address will
> not be used as an identifier and locator in LISP.
> 
> LISP requires no changes to end-systems or to most routers. LISP aims
> for an incrementally deployable protocol.
> 
> A number of approaches are being looked at in parallel in the IRTF and
> IETF. At this time, these proposals are at an early stage. 
> All proposals
> (including LISP) have potentially harmful side-effects to Internet
> traffic carried by the involved routers, have parts where deployment
> incentives may be lacking, and are NOT RECOMMENDED for 
> deployment beyond
> experimental situations at this stage. Many of the proposals have
> components (such as the identifier to locator mapping system) where it
> is not yet known what kind of design alternative is the best one among
> many.
> 
> However, despite these issues it would be valuable to write concrete
> protocol specifications and develop implementations that can 
> be used to
> understand the characteristics of these designs. The LISP WG is
> chartered to work on the LISP base protocol and any items 
> which directly
> impact LISP. The working group will encourage and
> support interoperable LISP implementations as well as defining
> requirements for alternate mapping systems. The Working Group 
> will also
> develop security profiles for the ALT and/or other mapping systems.
> 
> It is expected that the results of specifying, implementing, 
> and testing
> LISP will be fed to the general efforts at the IETF and IRTF 
> (e.g., the
> Routing Research Group) that attempts to understand which type of a
> solution is optimal. The LISP WG is NOT chartered to develop the final
> or standard solution for solving the routing scalability problem. Its
> specifications are Experimental and labeled with accurate disclaimers
> about their limitations and not fully understood implications for
> Internet traffic. In addition, as these issues are understood, the
> working group will analyze and document the implications of LISP on
> Internet traffic, applications, routers, and security. This analysis
> will explain what role LISP can play in scalable routing. The analysis
> should also look at scalability and levels of state required for
> encapsulation, decapsulation, liveness, and so on as well as the
> manageability and operability of LISP.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Terry
> 
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