On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:11 AM, Luigi Iannone <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Alia,
>
> On 05 Mar 2015, at 23:13, Alia Atlas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Luigi,
>
> Yes, Adrian also picked up on the "typically" for EID and RLOC and the
> proposed response fixes that as well as the BGP issues.
>
> I don't recall seeing the "oh, routers can just do with with a software
> upgrade" claim fixed.
>
>
> because it is lost in a lot of other fixes ;-)
>
> The authors propose to change the wording in the following way:
>
> "Adding LISP capabilities to routers does not mandate hardware changes and
> can be done via a software upgrade."
>
> The point authors are trying to make is not about how to install LISP in
> your boxes,  is more about the fact that the protocol
> does not need new hardware. Obviously you there can be hardware
> implementations, but as you rightfully point out, this is
> not the place to mention them. So, the above sentence looks appropriate,
> unless we want to simplify even more and just state:
>
> "Adding LISP capabilities to routers does not mandate hardware changes."
>
> What do you think?
>

Just take out the whole sentence.  It adds nothing except inaccuracy and
marketing.

Alia



> ciao
>
> Luigi
>
>
> Regards,
> Alia
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Luigi Iannone <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alia
>>
>> thanks for the review.
>>
>> I have just one comment right in the middle of your review.
>>
>> > On 05 Mar 2015, at 16:14, Alia Atlas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Alia Atlas has entered the following ballot position for
>> > draft-ietf-lisp-introduction-12: Discuss
>> >
>> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
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>> > introductory paragraph, however.)
>> >
>> >
>> > Please refer to
>> http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
>> > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>> >
>> >
>> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>> > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-introduction/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > DISCUSS:
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > I support Adrian's discuss.  In a similar vein:
>> >
>> > In Sec 3.2: Please either remove the claim of "Such LISP capable
>> > routers, in most cases, only require a software upgrade." or explain
>> > how you can justify the need to add and remove new encapsulations and
>> > handle the various flag triggers and caching at line rate.  There is
>> > no need for such marketing in this document.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > COMMENT:
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > 1) Sec 1, second paragraph:
>> >   "LISP creates two separate namespaces, EIDs (End-host IDentifiers)
>> > and
>> >   RLOCs (Routing LOCators), both are typically syntactically identical
>> >   to the current IPv4 and IPv6 addresses."
>> >
>> >   What does "typically" mean?  As far as I'm aware, they are
>> >   syntactically identical.  This is reiterated in Sec 3.2; are you just
>> >   trying to preserve the point of architectural freedom?  I've found
>> > the
>> >   third instance of insisting that the EID or RLOC now is only
>> > "typically"
>> >   an IPv4 or IPv6 address. Please lose "typically".  Minorly, the ,
>> >   before both should be a ;.
>> >
>>
>> I think that the changes the authors already proposed to Adrian fix the
>> above Discuss and comments.
>> Can you check if I am correct?
>>
>> From this point down is just typos/grammar, so authors will easily fix
>> your helpful comments
>>
>> thanks again
>>
>> ciao
>>
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > 2) top paragraph of p.4:
>> >  "The initial motivation in the LISP effort is to be found in the
>> >   routing scalability problem [RFC4984], where, if LISP is completely
>> >   deployed, the Internet core is populated with RLOCs while Traffic
>> >   Engineering mechanisms are pushed to the Mapping System."
>> >
>> >   Instead of "LISP is completely deployed" to "LISP were to be
>> >   completely deployed" - making it subjunctive.
>> >
>> > 3) Last paragraph in Sec 1:
>> >   "This document describes the LISP architecture, its main
>> >   operational mechanisms as its design rationale."
>> >
>> >   I think you mean
>> >
>> >   "This document describes the LISP architecture and its main
>> >   operational mechanisms as well as its design rationale."
>> >
>> > 4) In Sec 3.1, second paragraph:
>> >   "Locator/Identifier split: By decoupling the overloaded semantics
>> >      of the current IP addresses the Internet core can be assigned
>> >      identity meaningful addresses and hence, can use aggregation to
>> >      scale."
>> >   I assume that you mean "topologically meaningful addresses" instead
>> >   of "identity meaningful addresses".
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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