Hi,
>...Findmail does not go out and actively or
>automatically
>look for external mailing lists to archive, but they do provide a Web
>interface
>where individual USERS can enter the name of a mailing list and ask that
>it be
>archived. If one of your mailing lists appears on Findmail, it's probably
>because some interested subscriber put it there.
This is true to my understanding too. And, FWIW, I've talked to the
fellow who has built FindMail on the phone and past email messages.
>Carl Page's suggestion, that concerned listowners start using X-No-Archive
>all
>over the place, has one enormous problem, which is that LEGITIMATE
>archives for
>your list may exist, with access rights and format of your choosing; this
>"industry standard" cuts both ways.
Of course. And, list participants who know what the heck they are doing
can tag their outgoing mail header too. I'd like to empower the list
participants with the right to archive or not their own contributions.
I've got some of my lists archived at FindMail -- while others are not.
We requested that a list description with "PRIVATE" or a list description
with the keystrokes of [-] (that's bracket open, hyphen, bracket closed)
be signals for the archivers to NOT archive that specific list. The
FindMail administrator followed that subtle request from me in the past.
I think it is still active there.
This was from another archiver's FAQ I think.
>Personally, I would watch (using Procmail) for subscribes from
>findmail.com, and
>kick them off immediately, and then send that "listsaver-of-" address just
>ONE
>message for its "archive" saying: THIS IS NOT THE REAL ARCHIVE. This was
>created
>without permission. Tell Findmail to stop operating this way." A wave of
>those
>ought to generate enough user feedback to get them to think about the
>issue. :)
I disagree fully. FindMail is a valid archive of the lists that I run. I
would encourage others to use them. I would encourage others to have
mirrored archives. FindMail is a great mirror if you ask me.
I'm not going out an telling you all how to run your lists, mind you.
And, if you have reason for FindMail not subscribing to your lists --
then fine. I do not want FindMail at all my lists and we've worked this
out.
I'm a little bent out of shape because there are too many lists out there
without any archives. People tend to not want to stand by their words
where there is no OPEN Book archive, IMHO. And, people can get the
"wrong" impression too quickly if they are not pointed to what was said
-- exactly -- at an independent archive site.
Case in point - just the other day. I said on a public list that
something should happen very soon -- and if I could, I'd schedule a press
release for July 4 (and for our international friends, July 4 is USA
Independence Day). I just gave a little side-bar extra statement why July
4 is sorta a big deal here in the USA. One reader (International) went
nuts on me for that extra reading tip saying that I said USA is GOD's
Country. What? No way. When a list is archived on the web - just give
them the URL and say -- read it again. I never even mentioned GOD.
The third party archives are good for total communications and
understandings.
They also are great for busy people who like to go no mail -- then get
caught up on mail say a month later.
FindMail is fine with me.
And, FWIW, the FindMail is related to FindLaw. That site is worthy of a
visit as it is advancing faster in the past year than FindMail.
Take care all.
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