This is clearly an idea whose time has come.

I'd like to propose the following:

1.  A mailing list be set up of volunteers who would review nominations.

2.  Nominations could be made for users who disrupted mailing lists, or the 
operation thereof, either through malice or cluelessness.  This could 
include such as we have discussed, as well as other things. The nomination 
would be up to the list manager.

3.  Nominations would be made through, um, a password protected web 
page?  An open web page?  Nominators would assert that they had operational 
or editorial responsibility for a mailing list and would have to provide an 
example.  This could include such things as submitting spam complaints to 
unsubscribe, posting tests, making specious free speech arguments, and the 
like.

4.  The nominations would be converted to e-mail, which would be then 
evaluated by the list of volunteers who would be on the mailing list.

5.  If the majority of voters voted to approve the nomination, then it 
would be "published".

6.  Access to the published list would be by request and nomination.  The 
same "cabal" of volunteers who approve nominations for the list would also 
approve access. However, it would be permitted for a nominee to tell a user 
why they were being rejected, including revealing the nomination.

7.  It needs a name.  Something obvious like "clueless luser list" appeals.

8.  The cabal who put people on the list would also have to hear 
appeals.  It could be amusing.

I'm willing to host it.  Should we discuss the mechanism here or should I 
set up a list to discuss the mechanism on (which would turn into the 
nomination and appeal list).

Once we describe the mechanism, I will implement it. I will be willing to 
include various means of access, which could include DNS, web page, and so 
forth.

At 08:18 AM 2001-11-16 -0500, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>On 16 Nov 2001, at 2:31, Vince Sabio wrote:
>
> > ** Sometime around 12:03 -0800 11/15/01, Rick Vandenberg said:
> >
> > >[Only_slightly_tongue_in_cheek_mode = ON]
> > >
> > >I propose that a new on-line database be created, listing the email
> > >addresses of people who have exhibited any of the following behaviour
> > >with respect to lists:
>
>How about guys who have their 'vacation' programs set up to send their
>'I'm away' message to the list.  [and can there be some kind of "MLMDP"
>for the lusers whose vacation program doesn't even detect their own
>message and so puts the list into a loop?]
>
>   /Bernie\
>
>
>--
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