too cerebral for the list, man.
we're all cracked out e-tards, remember ?

On 8/13/06, VT Squire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ...But the older I get, the less certain things seem to make sense. We all
> make certain assumptions about things. Recently, I came up with a question I
> just couldn't answer, not even with my assumptions.
>
>   This is the part where I get sentimental.
>
>   I finally took to task the question of whether dance permits are
> actually legal. Now some of you have moved on to bigger and better
> questions, but I don't think I can really do that until I can understand
> what the status is, and why.
>
>   My assumptions were "of course they're legal, otherwise they wouldn't be
> law." But on what grounds are they legal? Questions of constitutionality
> came to my mind, and I simply am not able to answer them. Not questions of
> constitutionality based upon their wording, but because of the actual
> practice of requiring permits. Maybe some of you can answer a couple of
> these questions.
>
>   1. It is my understanding that government can limit individual rights so
> long as "a legitimate state interest" exists. To that, I ask "What is the
> compelling interest to require that people have permission from their local
> government to dance?" What is it that seperates dancing from other
> self-expression such as participating in a protest, writing, or perhaps
> laughing during a movie, that do not require permission?
>
>   2. Free expression: This is not expressly written in the constitution
> but respected none-the-less as inherent in the 1st amendment. Does it apply
> to recreational activities (playing ball in the park, for example), that
> have no inherent victim or other harm (drugs, fighting) to society?
>
>   3. Do dance permits set a precedent for requiring permits for other
> recreational activities such as painting? Keep in mind here, I'm referring
> to situations --inside of a privately owned building-- with the owner's
> consent and no victim or harm to society.
>
>   The answers to these seem like they would be simple, but to me they
> simply are not. Via dancing and music and venues which allow us to do this,
> we've all been able to self-express in some form or another. What is the
> justification to require permission to dance as a form of self-expression,
> and outright forbid it in certain forms? (after 2 a.m., in groups, etc)
> Without a justification, would dance permits be unconstitutional?
>
>
>   Just thoughts.
>
>
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