Chris Guanche wrote:
> same thing over because  proven formulas work and generate profits.   Tomino
> is not that kind of director, and you can see how  stories that are seeminly

Yes, to his credit, he keeps trying new ideas within the
epic-toy-commercial box.  MSG 0079 itself was a product of his
experiments.  He had commercial success even prior to 1979 and with
MSG he went and tried a new idea that flopped (initially).

So MSG was a big change from Zambot (?), Z was diff from MSG, ZZ was
different again, CCA was different again.  F91... hard to say.  And V
was different yet again (but it had a lot of similarity to MSG),
Turn-A... need I say more?

> reversals in Zeta.  I won't mention ZZ because I see Tomino's involvement in
> that series as being peripheral.  In Victory, there's a moral question that

Hmm I haven't seen anything along that line.  What I've seen is he
took several oppotunity to explain _HIS_ decision for a comical tone
for the first half of ZZ.

> comes up many times throughout the series.  Although the League Militaire
> are ostensibly the "heroes" of the story, there's a question raised about
> ...
> fascism and religion.  But that could be a topic for another thread.  In

Agreed, except perhaps I would be using diffferent wording and emphasis...

The big weakness here is Katejina.  There was no explaination for
Katejina, not just joining ZE, but being such a hateful person.  If
Tomino had written her story differently and devoted some episodes to
her conversion from sweetheart to Darth Vader, V would have been a
much better series.

> Turn A, Tomino leaves a central question deliberately unanswered.  The
> ...
> Is the Moonrace justified in ...?
> Are the Earth forces justified in ...?
> These are the kinds of issues that Tomino
> hides underneath the surface of the old "Earth vs space" stories of Gundam.

And it's a HUGE question for the viewer why Tomino leaves it
unanswered.  To (mis)use a Zen metaphor, I think Tomino/Turn-A's
proposal is to UNask the question.

> justified in wanting to prevent terrorist attacks like that from ocurring
> again.  However, those honest intentions are perverted by a group of
> officers (Jamitov and Bask) who want to use the terrorist attacks as a
> pretense for their power grab.  At the end of 0083, we see almost all of the
> ...
> ... there certainly some parallels between the political
> climate of 0083/Zeta and the current world situation.

Well then, let's NOT discuss "current world situation".  Chinese like
to say, sort of "the wall has a ear".

It's just a recurring theme in both real life and Gundam.  Modern
politics is not that different from ancient history.  The idea that
Law and Order can be imposed by force to create permanent peace and
prosperity is an extremely attractive idea.  The dream of perpetual
happiness, perhaps not for myself or even my children, but for my
grandchildren and every generations afterward, is irresistable to most
mortal beings. Common people, caught up by the dream or "honest
intentions", can easily justify drastic measures.  "Human destiny is
in space" is a perfectly honest intention, but it is frighteningly
easy to go from there to a decision to drop an asteroid.

Criminals may kill tens or even hundreds of people for temporary
selfish gain, but only those who have dream of "making the world
better forever" can murder thousands and millions.  Common people,
just like you and I, can never distinguish "necessary evil" from just
plain "evil".

It might be INEVITABLE that your supposed "honest intentions" will
always be "perverted" by some groups of people.  I know this is a
controversial statement.  Many philosophers greater than I, from
Confucius, Jesus Christ, Karl Marx, George Washington, claimed to have
some kind of ideal solution to the human situation.  I am not that
arrogant to say they are all wrong.  I am just suggesting that many
(or ALL?) Gundam series all shines a dim light on big visions or big
"honest intentions".

Most Gundam series give the Big Speech with the Big Dream to the bad
guys*.  The heroes (Amuro, Kou (yuck), Camille, Judoh, Amuro, Usso,
Loran,  etc) never talk about any big vision or big dream.  They react
to the here and now, something is wrong NOW (asteroid drop) and they
have to do something NOW.  They don't fight for the future, they fight
to protect the people around them.  This line about "protecting my
friends and family" (typically meaning only those on the White Base)
is repeated by almost every Gundam pilot even up to Seed.  It's
repeated so many times that the viewers are numbed already.  But the
viewers don't stop and ask "why?"  Why fight only to protect your
friends?  Shouldn't you fight for Freedom, Justise, Peace and
Happiness for Everybody and Forever?

* - yes Zeta got tricky in a few spots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] had the biggest
speech in the show and the AEUG fired the Colony Laser and destroyed
innumerable lives.

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Dr. Core
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