On 4/24/06, -Z- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think you said it right; Venus Wars is just like F91, both in purpose and in result... Venus Wars' jump on the storyline is almost as severe as F91 and making it hard to follow. There are good scenes, but I can't say so for the whole movie.
Come to think of it, Arion would be like Nausicaa or Akira, being only a portion of a bigger story.
I want to see Jeanne too. You got Giant Gorg? I always want to see it, as Yaz fans generally put it all the way up there as a must-watch item for Yaz fans (due to his biggest involvement in a TV series I suppose).
I know too little to evaluate further on this except that we know it's not working. Of course with Newtype gotten "out of fashion" in the new millenium is not helping neither.
First, I want to say the biggest piece of work that made 0079 success as a story is Yaz' work IMHO. Okiwara's MSV does support the longitivity of the MSG line, and Tomino's revolutionary concept makes MSG the first in RR genre, but it's actual episode-to-episode storytelling that keep a show interesting.
I'd bring it back to Turn A. Turn A generally shows MSs but very little of them in combat. It's the characters that drives the show, which is probably what we want for a more mature, dramatic 0079 remake.
The vast space of the UC universe leaves much to explore -- poliitics/strategy/tactics, civilians, and one of my favorite, spy acitivty -- would be good for fanboys, but it'd drives others insane. Stick with the WB crews and the interaction among them is good, but we'd have the problem of how to balance the huge supporting cast (the MSG draft said there're 26 members in the WB crew!). Just talk a little on each of these and we'd have a 30min show with zero minutes mecha combat. :-)
On the other hand, I'd worry that Sunrise would make a remake too formulated for market need... MS fight for 3 minutes every episode! kinda like Ultraman....
I found Turn A best in its direction. The last 10 episodes is so good in building up the climax that you simply shouldn't watch it in broadcast... you'll have 6 lifeless days just waiting for the next episode. And I don't mind the story being so direct opposite Gundam as well; it's Tomino's intention to reverse what he did and it basically works yet keeping the show entertaining. It beats Zeta as my most loved Gundam show now (0080 is very good, but it lacks some excitement to have a good balance as a mecha show).
I watched Overman like it's a SR show... it's fun, but not much to follow.
On Monday, April 24, 2006 08:28, Boaz MyTurnASpace wrote:
> On 4/21/06, -Z- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I'd be happy to see Gundam: The Origin animated with at
>> least as much fidelity as was Venus War Chronicle.
>> Every time I rewatch Venus Wars or even Crusher Joe,
>> I keep thinking "Why couldn't they have done THAT with
>> Gundam?"
>
>> On the other hand, I keep wondering what Dirty Pair
>> would've been like had Yaz done the artwork for the
>> anime, like he did for the novels (and the
>> aforementioned Crusher Joe)...
>
> I didn't know -Z- you'd drool over Yaz' work like I do. Have
> you watched Arion? I actually think Venus War failed versus Arion.
Well, Arion was admittedly a hard act to follow, but Venus Wars succeeds to the
degree that it does what it set out to do, which is to synopsize as much of the
manga series as possible in only 105 minutes.
I tend to think of the Venus Wars anime as being to the manga what the Gundam
Formula 91 "movie" was to the F91 TV series that never got made...
I think you said it right; Venus Wars is just like F91, both in purpose and in result... Venus Wars' jump on the storyline is almost as severe as F91 and making it hard to follow. There are good scenes, but I can't say so for the whole movie.
Come to think of it, Arion would be like Nausicaa or Akira, being only a portion of a bigger story.
And, yes, Yaz can do no wrong in my book. I've even got the complete 26-episode
Giant Gorg TV series, which is what took him away from Dirty Pair. Why haven't
Jeanne (Joan) or Star of the Kurds (Rebel Star) ever been animated? You'd think
that the latter, at least, would be considered especially timely nowadays.
I want to see Jeanne too. You got Giant Gorg? I always want to see it, as Yaz fans generally put it all the way up there as a must-watch item for Yaz fans (due to his biggest involvement in a TV series I suppose).
It's a pity that Jesus is only available as an e-book...
>> Failing that, I'd like to see Gundam go completely
>> realistic, like Planetes or Patlabor or even Armitage
>> III or Cowboy Bebop. Please note that "realistic"
>> doesn't mean grim and gritty and cynical, like Ghost in
>> the Shell. Indeed, leavening realistic portrayals with
>> a spot of levity and outright humor is almost a necessity
>> given the underlying gravity of the overall theme.
>
> We kinda have "For the Barrel", which seems like doesn't
> contain much fanfare, correct? I haven't been care much about
> FTB, but from previous description it seems like trying to
> hard by changing too much.
I'd be equally happy to have seen a For The Barrel anime or even a full manga
series. It was indeed a tantalizing glimpse of what might be possible and
precisely the sort of Gundam "remake" I'd like to see. True to the spirit as
well as the substance of the original, but not hidebound by it. I was saddened
that it never got beyond being a showcase for the designer's conceptual talents.
I know too little to evaluate further on this except that we know it's not working. Of course with Newtype gotten "out of fashion" in the new millenium is not helping neither.
> I like 0079 as is as I really enjoyed what Yaz injected to
> the scenes and figure it'd be very edgy to add anything to
> make the 0079 world more realistic without losing the pace
> (0079 is slow-paced already for a anime TV series).
As heretical as it may sound, I'd like to see Gundam 0079 with less emphasis on
the mecha or, more correctly, with the mecha subordinated to being an extension
of the pilot and not the other way around. Think Area 88 with MS instead of jet
fighters. Or Votoms. The mecha can still be impressive, but it's the people
and how they react and interact (or fail to) that makes the story.
Yasuhiko Yoshikazu understands this in a way that only a few artists and writers
do.
First, I want to say the biggest piece of work that made 0079 success as a story is Yaz' work IMHO. Okiwara's MSV does support the longitivity of the MSG line, and Tomino's revolutionary concept makes MSG the first in RR genre, but it's actual episode-to-episode storytelling that keep a show interesting.
I'd bring it back to Turn A. Turn A generally shows MSs but very little of them in combat. It's the characters that drives the show, which is probably what we want for a more mature, dramatic 0079 remake.
The vast space of the UC universe leaves much to explore -- poliitics/strategy/tactics, civilians, and one of my favorite, spy acitivty -- would be good for fanboys, but it'd drives others insane. Stick with the WB crews and the interaction among them is good, but we'd have the problem of how to balance the huge supporting cast (the MSG draft said there're 26 members in the WB crew!). Just talk a little on each of these and we'd have a 30min show with zero minutes mecha combat. :-)
On the other hand, I'd worry that Sunrise would make a remake too formulated for market need... MS fight for 3 minutes every episode! kinda like Ultraman....
> Like Alfred Urrutia (welcome back!), I'm partial to Gundam
> 0080 and still believe it to be the second best series
> after Z Gundam, which was my introduction to the saga and
> thus will always have a special place in my memory.
>
> Try Turn A, -Z-. :-)
I was quite favorably impressed with Turn A, but it was a little too
in-your-face for my liking. There's a fine line between self-parody and
self-indulgence and I think Turn A crossed that line too often. In terms of
thumbing his nose at convention and making it work, I much preferred Overman
King Gainer.
And, again, it was still too much about the mecha and the Big Ideas and not
enough about the people caught up in it all.
I found Turn A best in its direction. The last 10 episodes is so good in building up the climax that you simply shouldn't watch it in broadcast... you'll have 6 lifeless days just waiting for the next episode. And I don't mind the story being so direct opposite Gundam as well; it's Tomino's intention to reverse what he did and it basically works yet keeping the show entertaining. It beats Zeta as my most loved Gundam show now (0080 is very good, but it lacks some excitement to have a good balance as a mecha show).
I watched Overman like it's a SR show... it's fun, but not much to follow.
--
Boaz
http://myturnaspace.blogspot.com
