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> From: "Dr. Core" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [gundam] [OT]Martian Settlement?
> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:46:35 -0400
> 
> 
> Joseph Riggs  wrote:
> > wouldn't have crossed my mind even though I'm well aware of the horrors
> > perpetuated by Nazi Germany.
> >
> > Sometimes you just don't connect all of the mental dots that you need to.
> 
> Scientists, even (or especially?) the left-leaning ones, are
> inherently elitists.
> 

As someone who's generally conservative, I'm confident that the left side of 
the political aisle doesn't have that much of a lock on the elitist label.  The 
evidence merely seems to suggest that there are more members of the left in 
academia, which means that equal percentages from both sides of the aisle will 
mean a larger raw number of them from the left side.

Or that's my completely unresearched theory on the matter.

The corrolary to that, of course, is that there might actually be larger 
numbers of liberal (as opposed to conservative) academia and/or scientists who 
aren't elitists simply because there's so many more.

:P

But I won't go there.

In any event, the elitists are the ones that tend to get headlines by making 
statements that draw attention to themselves.

> Around 1996 I attended a lecture by Nobel laurate James D Watson.  He
> spent about 1/3 of the lecture talking about genetics and DNA, about
> 1/3 recounting the evils of Nazi eugenics and the last 1/3 of the
> lecture advocating the positives of eugenics.  Can you smell a closet
> Nazi admirer?
> 

The suggestion prompts me to wonder whether it would have been better or worse 
if the Nazis had a slightly better grounding in fact and DNA for their genetic 
theories?  On the one hand, if they'd known what we know today then their 
defeat might have lent more weight to arguments against the at best slippery 
slope of human eugenics.  On the other hand, if they'd known what we know now 
they might have actually been able to do some real damage (as if killing 
millions of Jews, gypsies, and other 'undesirables' wasn't bad enough).  China 
and India have managed to do enough damage already with just the knowledge of 
what gender the fetus is (as an aside, I read a few weeks ago that India was 
prosecuting it's first case under a law that forbade abortions based on gender 
but that had largely been ignored until now).

As it is, the Nazi theories were so clearly based on utterly outlandish and out 
dated fantasies that the idea of Nazi Eugenics has become almost buffoonish.  
It also means that no matter how close Watson's ideas are to an updated version 
of Nazi Eugenics, he can safely tell himself that he has nothing in common with 
them.  I don't know how close his thinking might be (I'll take your word for 
it), but it is a problematic area.


junior


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