Bob,
> > it does seem like the 'infrastructure' is in place for
> > a tree of auditable information.
> 
>  Unfortunately our friendly neighbourhood ISP
>  is no more/less trustworthy than the local
>  supermarket or used car dealer. 
...
>  In my opinion we will have to come up with
>  our own way to verify identity. We can't even
>  trust governments world wide to do our work
>  for us. 

"Everybody's gotta be on somebody's bond." Are you saying you 
don't trust anybody? (If so, I'm sorry for you.)  ISPs would register 
the same as anybody else, and their operation would be registered 
as a repository of neighborhood addresses as well. Yes, there are 
security issues, but between encryption and plain data analysis 
(e.g. of systematic 
'voting' patterns) I think they can be settled.

> The result of that in nations that do
>  not believe in universal sufferage will be a
>  whole bunch of really cool people sitting in
>  jails, being beaten in the streets and maybe
>  even worse. There must be a way but it ain't
>  through governments that are more often than
>  not oppressive, bogus and downright murderous.
> 
>  Suggestions?

The best person to protect your rights as an individual is you; 
'government' is not a problem but a convenience where that 
tautology is admitted. The bogies you raise are the consequence of 
a social system in which individuals have delegated  their rights for 
so long that they have let them be delegated right away. (Do I 
sound libertarian ;-?)

But the 'solution' is not less government per se, but more 
*responsible govt; that is, we cannot regard it as something 'out 
there,' psychologically displaced and independent of ourselves as 
citizens, but as a mechanism which responds to us and our 
expressions of rights and needs.  Integrating that mechanism into 
ones life means 'governing' all the way through the system, from 
the 'responsible' language one uses to the 'responsible' company 
one keeps to the 'responsible' selection of a person (or 
organization) to represent one's beliefs in forums where *collective 
changes are to be made. 

As you might suspect, my suggestion is at odds with 'top-down' 
structuring for any purpose. Is there a present problem of  
'administration' of a system? Then the first agendum of those who 
perceive it is to *make it recognizable* by everyone involved, so 
that *they can determine its role, its mechanisms, channels, 
obligations, etc. Is there great difficulty in imagining that 'they' can 
work through to a solution? Then the first step in implementing the 
agendum is to provide the tools for the work.  Are those tools a bit 
complicated? Then the first task of implementation is (you guessed 
it) to make them recognizable as tools -- and so on, all the way 
down, until 'those who perceive' are talking with those who dont in 
language which is understood by all.  At that point 'verification of 
identity' (or 'enforcement') is a moot point, because everybody is 
looking after themselves, taking care, all the phrases which have 
been suborned and distorted by a concept of 'government' (or 
'education' or 'parenting') which has really been doing the looking 
after and the 'caring' *for* them. 

Can we get there from here? That I think is the question of the day; 
the problem which most urgently needs to be addressed. But what 
earthly sense does it make for *us* to wait for 'the administration' 
to tell us that they have finally 'identifed' it? Havent we got the 
tools? Dont we understand how to use them?  Or have we been 
bamboozled, befuddled, sidetracked into 'exploring solutions' which 
only defer the issue, in the same way that ICANN has deferred 
public representation to the SO, and DNSO will defer it to 
'commercial entities'? 


kerry





 

 

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