Thanks for the clarifications, Jeff!

But may I beg your further indulgence?

>  #3 is dealing  with the [*]problem[*] of the current 13 Root 
> servers and the current Root  server  structure of the DNS. 
> There are many that [*]believe[*] that 13 Root servers  is
> inadequate to handle the current load [,] to provide for both more
>  competition as well as improve the Redundancy of the DNS.  

I appreciate that many may conceive there are better ways to do 
almost anything, but why is that a *problem*? As a network of 
networks, isnt the principal characteristic of the Internet that it can 
accomodate almost any system anyone wants to set up? If people 
believe in a better way to provide competition and redundancy, why 
not put it out there in parallel, and then we can all *see if it is?  

 
> >        _ There is widespread dissatisfaction about the absence of
> > competition in domain name registration.
> 
>   Yes, and this relates to #3 more specifically than is readily
> apparent. But the main thrust seems to be in providing for the
> competition to NSI current monopoly. 
 
Once multiple registrars are in place, then couldnt the supervising 
authority be dissolved?  Once an estate is auctioned off, the 
auctioneers usually go home.


> >       _ Conflicts between trademark holders and domain name
> > holders are becoming more common. Mechanisms for resolving
> > these conflicts are expensive and cumbersome.
> 
>   Agreed.  ANd in many's opinion not either enforceable or needed.
> 
    So an authority is needed to prevent (define?) unenforcable decisions??


> >      _ Many commercial interests, staking their future on the
> > successful growth of the Internet, are calling for a more formal and
> > robust management structure.
> 
>   Indeed they are.  However it is easy to call for this, but not so easy
> to
> do.  Hence the current discussions with respect to ICANN and what sort
> of structure should be implemented.
> 
    Shall we say, many believe there is a better way?  ;-)

> >      _ An increasing percentage of Internet users reside outside of
> > the U.S., and those stakeholders want to participate in Internet
> > coordination.
> 
>   Yes they do, and they should as well.
> 
    Is ISOC, ITU, etc closed to them? Did the IAHC draft overlook or preclude this 
point?

> >      _ As Internet names increasingly have commercial value, the
> > decision to add new top-level domains cannot be made on an ad
> > hoc basis by entities or individuals that are not formally
> > accountable to the Internet community.
> 
>   THis is where much of the debate is being waged currently.  The White
> Paper requires in essence that this should be a Bottom-up Stakeholder
> driven and determined process. The ICANN "Initial" and Interim Board
> seems to believe otherwise, based on their most recent actions.
> 

And the disparity suggests that the problem has been misstated.  
Formal accountability might work iff  there is something to be 
called the Internet community, *or*  Internet community might exist 
iff there was a formally accountable structure -- but wait, isn't that 
ham and eggs I smell?


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> > I wouldnt want to say anyone has jumped from a frying pan into a
> > fire, but has this endless 'process' (IFWP et al) made the least bit
> > of difference? Hasnt the 'problem' been solved for some time now?
> > Where is all this 'trust' stuff coming from? Which war are we
> > fighting?
> 
>   What specifically has been solved in your mind?
> 
     Those who feel there are shots to be called are calling them.

As a corollary, those who dont so feel are being left in the yard to  
squabble and natter and make a mess, until such time as they 
learn to say please and thank you -- voluntarily.

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SOAWMTGO

If we dont like the idea of *imposed structure, then it makes no 
sense to demand to be 'allowed' to design that structure. Nor, if we 
dont like the design *process by which our allowance is granted, is 
it sensible to demand certain outcomes. 

If we want bottom-up voluntarism, self-defined codes, consensual 
decisions, and open records,  then why dont we demonstrate how 
that *works? 

In short, start out as we mean to go on.  If IFWP (or any other 
group of 300 or so) can rally round and produce a running-code 
solution to **any problem whatsoever**, don't you imagine the 
managers (erstwhile and pro tem) of this one will take note? Or do 
they *like the headaches that come from no one ever being 
satisfied? 
 

 kerry

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