At the risk of being pedantic, it seems that ICANN is acting in the best
bureaucratic tradition:
they have set up a committee to report to the board on the setting up of a
review panel. Did you get that? Are we getting anywhere? What's NSI's stock
price today?
Ivan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 9:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cappelli, Thomas A.; Bohn, Donn
> Subject: RE: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: What the ??? ICANN Appoints Independent
> Review Advisory Committee
>
>
> Excuse me, there's a litle misunderstanding here. This is not
> the review
> committee itself. It is the committee to *design* the
> independent review
> panel. The reveiw panel's job will be to judge whether the
> ICANN board has
> properly followed its rules and procedures, not to make
> jusdgments about DNS
> issues. That is the job of the DNS and the public, through commment
> procedures....
>
> We got quite a few applicants, and were not able to contact
> each separately.
> We operated primarily on the basis of the info they sent us, which we
> assumed to be complete enough to make an initial decision.
> Obviously, we did
> contact all those selected.
>
> Esther
>
> At 02:35 AM 06/04/99 -0400, Marsh, Miles (Gene) wrote:
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> >I am obliged to agree with Rhonda's assessment here and take it a
> >notch futher. I know personally of four individuals (all highly
> >qualified, by the way) who submitted their names for
> consideration for
> >posts on the IRAC. NOT ONE OF THEM WAS EVER CONTACTED. I can
> >understand the necessity for diversity and to concentrate on
> >individuals seen as bringing a high level of value to the effort.
> >However, no real effort was ever made to get knowledgeable,
> >experienced individuals for this effort.
> >
> >I have been willing to at least give the ICANN leadership an
> >opportunity to fail. It appears they have done so. The
> thorough lack
> >of professionalism exhibited here, combined with an unprecedented
> >level of cronyism is disheartening, to say the least.
> >
> >Esther, shame on you. This is a personal disgrace for you.
> >
> >Gene Marsh
> >Diebold Incorporated
> >
> >
> >- -----Original Message-----
> >From: Ronda Hauben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, April 05, 1999 12:50 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: What the ??? ICANN Appoints Independent
> >Review Advisory Committee
> >
> >
> >ICANN continues to carry out the creation of an organizational
> >form that has no respect for the principles that have guided the
> >development of the Internet
> >
> >Most recently, is the creation of a Review committee that is
> >supposedly
> >to oversee ICANN that has been created with no more understanding
> >of the importance and nature of the human-computer networking-human
> >communication that the Internet facilitates than ICANN itself or
> >any of the other entities it is developing.
> >
> >The people chosen are not people with any understanding or concern
> >for the Internet as a means of global communication, but people
> >chosen with the narrow concern for electronic commerce issues.
> >
> >Following are some helpful questions raised about the nature
> >of the committee choice process and decisions, and responses
> >that don't investigate the issues being raised but just
> >make excuses for the lack of concern by the U.S. government and
> >ICANN toward carrying on any meaningful discussion and
> >exploration as to what is needed by the Internet (the whole
> >Internet, not some narrow community) in terms of creating
> >a helpful process and form the continued growth and
> >development of the Internet essential functions that have
> >traditionally been overseen by IANA under the oversight of ARPA.
> >.
> >s
> >
> >Bill Lovell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>At 12:17 AM 4/2/99 +1000, Adam Todd Snr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>I now look at the list of names, seems familiar for some reason.>
> >>>Oh yes - I've never in my life heard of ANY of these people. Not
> >one name
> >>>seems to show up in any database of names and email addresses
> >relating to
> >>>DNS prior to mid 1998.
> >>>
> >>>Can anyone offer an explanation as to how these people end up being
> >so
> >>>qualified for a function yet appear to have no background?
> >>>
> >>>I also have to question how an ICANN director can be part of the
> >Review
> >>>Committee.
> >>
> >>That part seems to have been part of the original plan, so far as I
> >can see.
> >>As to these particular people (and, from what you say, their dearth
> >of
> >>experience in Internet matters), that may be precisely the point. I
> >can't
> >>believe I am saying this, but there is the old saw about having
> >people who
> >>can see the forest, and let the working class take care of
> the trees.
> >One
> >thing
> >>I can guarantee is that experience in a particular industry
> is NOT a
> >>prerequisite
> >>to being on the Board of a company within that industry; choices are
> >often
> >>made entirely upon the expected smarts, VISION and pizazz of a
> >person, not
> >>on whether or not the person had grubbed in the same hoe line. Those
> >are two
> >>entirely different animals, and in a function such as Internet
> >governance
> >>that is
> >>replete with factional bloodletting, having people that
> will be above
> >the
> >>fray may
> >>be precisely what is needed. And on that standard, from these bios I
> >would
> >say
> >>that these people are very highly qualified and may indeed introduce
> >an
> >element
> >>of sanity into these august proceedings.
> >
> >>Bill Lovell
> >
> >
> >To the contrary, the lack of knowledge of the Internet and its needs
> >and the computer communications science that has made it possible
> >to develop and grow the Internet are not virtues but grave weaknesses
> >of anyone who is to be charged with any ownership, control or
> >oversight
> >of any aspect of the domain name system, root server system, IP
> >numbers,
> >and protocols.
> >
> >Having spent a number of years studying the birth and development
> >of the Internet, what becomes clear is that its success grows from
> >the fact that it was under the care of scientists, not of those
> >with *business* as their expertist.
> >
> >To make a fundamental change now in that prime condition of the
> >success
> >of the Internet, is a grave error and the sign that the forces
> >who are acting behind the scenes in the power play to grab
> >the Internet from the public, are not at all concerned with
> >the further scaling of the Internet, but only with the enrichment
> >of a few.
> >
> >The U.S. government funding (via the Department of Defense and then
> >the NSF) of Internet research and development made it possible for
> >people who were in positions of responsibility concerning Internet
> >development to be scientific in their decisions.
> >
> >This aspect of Internet development is being rudely and summarily
> >dismissed, rather than being the subject of serious discussion
> >and consideration in figuring out what a forward step is to
> >make possible the scaling of the Internet so it will be available
> >to all to participate in the communications breakthrough that
> >is now available to some.
> >
> >Instead a few are grabbing at the heart of the Internet and
> >making decisions that will affect many, those who now have
> >access and those who don't, and these decisions and the criteria
> >for them are being made in secret and by those with narrow
> >objectives and narrow self interests (i.e. conflicts of interest.)
> >
> >This is precisely the problem that was understood is the most
> >serious problem of our times by those who pioneered the development
> >of interactive computing and time-sharing, the developments
> >that set the foundation for the Internet.
> >
> >So precisely what is being violated by the manner and choice
> >of the supposed Review Committee by ICANN, is precisely
> >what has given birth to the Internet -- i.e. a concern that
> >decisions not be made in secret by a few people who have
> >no understanding of the scientific issues and no concern
> >or understanding of the impact and consequences of those decisions
> >to the vast majority of the population who are being excluded
> >from the process.
> >
> >This was precisely the issue that led to the prolongation of
> >WWII via the decision of Great Britain to do strategic bombing
> >of the German civilian populations, and was the concern that
> >C.P. Snow was invited to MIT in 1961 to discuss with regard
> >to the light it shed on the future of the computer and
> >of decisions made by Government about the future of the computer.
> >
> >And this is precisely how ICANN has been formed, and how it
> >is carrying out its business with our Internet and how
> >it has formed its own so called "Review Committee". It is a review
> >committee to continue and carry further its own conflicts
> >of interest, not a review committee capable of any constructive
> >function for the Internet.
> >
> >Ronda
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>>LOS ANGELES, March 31, 1999 -- The Internet Corporation for
> >Assigned Names
> >>>>and Numbers (ICANN) announced today that the following individuals
> >have been
> >>>>appointed to ICANN's Independent Review Advisory Committee:
> >>>>
> >>>> - Linda Wilson, Chair (United States)
> >>>> - Mads Bryde Anderson (Denmark)
> >>>> - Ryozo Hayashi (Japan)
> >>>> - Ethan Katsh (United States)
> >>>> - Hans Kraaijenbrink (Netherlands)
> >>>> - Jorge Plano (Argentina)
> >>>> - Peter Dengate Thrush (New Zealand)
> >>>> - Jorge Vega (Peru)
> >>>>
> >>>>Brief biographical information about the Committee members is set
> >forth
> >>>>below.
> >>>>
> >>>>Expressions of interest were received from over fifty individuals
> >in
> >>>>response to ICANN's invitation, which was posted on the ICANN
> >website and
> >>>>distributed to the relevant mailing lists on March 5.
> >>>>
> >>>>Those selected meet the goals of geographic diversity and relevant
> >>>>professional experience. The board appreciates the willingness of
> >so many
> >>>>people to participate in this important endeavor, and encourages
> >all to
> >>>>provide feedback and expertise for the committee when its
> >recommendations
> >>>>are posted for public comment.
> >>>>
> >>>>This committee, called for in the ICANN Bylaws, will advise the
> >ICANN Board
> >>>>on the creation of a structure for independent third party review
> >of
> >>>>decisions of the ICANN Board of Directors. The committee's work
> >will begin
> >>>>immediately.
> >>>>
> >>>>ICANN offers sincere thanks to all of the enthusiastic and
> >qualified
> >>>>individuals who expressed interest in joining the committee.
> >>>>
> >>>>Contact:
> >>>>
> >>>>Andrew McLaughlin
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>+1-617-495-4935
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> >- -------
> >>>>----
> >>>>BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION ON IRAC MEMBERS:
> >>>>
> >>>>LINDA WILSON, CHAIR (Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA)
> >>>> Linda S. Wilson is currently the seventh president of
> >Radcliffe College
> >>>>at Harvard University. She also serves as an ICANN Director.
> >Previously, was
> >>>>vice president for research at the University of
> Michigan. She is a
> >Trustee
> >>>>of the General Hospital Corporation of the Massachusetts General
> >Hospital.
> >>>>She is also on the Board of Directors for Citizens
> Financial Group,
> >Inc.
> >>>>Ms. Wilson has served on the National Commission on Research and
> >was chair
> >>>>of its subcommittee on accountability. She was a member of the
> >Director's
> >>>>Advisory Council of the National Science Foundation for
> nine years.
> >As a
> >>>>member of the Council of the Institute of Medicine, she
> chaired its
> >Finance
> >>>>Committee, and served on its Committee on Government- Industry
> >Research
> >>>>Collaboration in Biomedical Research and Education. She
> is a member
> >of the
> >>>>Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, and a
> >fellow of
> >>>>the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
> >>>> Ms. Wilson received a Bachelor's degree from Sophie Newcomb
> >College,
> >>>>Tulane University, and a Ph.D. in inorganic chemistry from the
> >University of
> >>>>Wisconsin. She received an Honorary Doctorate in Humane Letters
> >from Newcomb
> >>>>College, Tulane University, and an Honorary Doctorate of Letters
> >from the
> >>>>University of Maryland.
> >>>>
> >>>>MADS BRYDE ANDERSEN (Copenhagen, Denmark)
> >>>> Dr. Mads Bryde Andersen is a professor of private law at the
> >University
> >>>>of Copenhagen and author or editor of several books and
> articles on
> >contract
> >>>>law, intellectual property law and IT law. For a number of years
> >has been
> >>>>working actively with legislative issues regarding electronic
> >commerce, in
> >>>>Denmark (where, among other things, he is chairing the Danish
> >Government's
> >>>>IT Security Council) as well as in the EU, the ICC and
> the OECD. In
> >the
> >>>>years 1997-1998 he was the chairman of the UNCITRAL Working Party
> >on
> >>>>Electronic Commerce.
> >>>>
> >>>>RYOZO HAYASHI (Tokyo, Japan)
> >>>> Ryozo Hayashi is Director-General for Machinery and
> >Information
> >>>>Industry Policy at the Machinery and Information Industry
> Bureau of
> >Japan's
> >>>>Ministry of International Trade and Industry.
> >>>>Mr. Hayashi received an L.L.B. from Kyoto University in 1970, and
> >an L.L.M.
> >>>>from Harvard Law School in 1976. In 1991, Mr. Hayashi served as a
> >Fellow and
> >>>>Visiting Lecturer, Centre for Business and Government of Harvard
> >>>>University's John F. Kennedy School of Government. In 1994, Mr.
> >Hayashi was
> >>>>Visiting Lecturer in the Law Department of Kyoto University.
> >>>>
> >>>>ETHAN KATSH (Amherst, Massachusetts, USA)
> >>>> Ethan Katsh is Director of the Center for Information
> >Technology and
> >>>>Dispute Resolution and a Professor of Legal Studies at the
> >University of
> >>>>Massachusetts at Amherst. He is author of two books on law and
> >technology,
> >>>>The Electronic Media and The Transformation of Law (Oxford
> >University Press,
> >>>>1989) and Law in a Digital World (Oxford University Press, 1995),
> >as well as
> >>>>articles that have appeared in many law reviews and
> periodicals. He
> >is a
> >>>>graduate of the Yale Law School and is co-founder of the Online
> >Ombuds
> >>>>Office, a project funded by the Hewlett Foundation to explore
> >dispute
> >>>>resolution in cyberspace.
> >>>>
> >>>>HANS KRAAIJENBRINK (The Hague, Netherlands)
> >>>> Hans Kraaijenbrink is a Member of the Executive
> Board of ETNO,
> >the
> >>>>European Telecommunications Network Operators association, located
> >in
> >>>>Brussels. He is also Manager, European Policy and Regulation with
> >Royal KPN
> >>>>N.V., the Netherlands where he is responsible for European and
> >international
> >>>>regulatory strategic affairs. He is a Member of the ICANN Board of
> >>>>Directors.
> >>>>Previously, he worked for the Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs,
> >>>>responsible for information technology and the services sectors,
> >and for the
> >>>>Ministry of Transport, Public Works and Water Management. He was
> >also a
> >>>>member of the management team of the Telecommunications and Posts
> >>>>Directorate in the initial phase of the Dutch Telecommunications
> >Regulator.
> >>>>Mr. Kraaijenbrink graduated from Delft University (1966).
> >>>>
> >>>>JORGE PLANO (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
> >>>> Jorge Plano is adviser of the Camara Argentina de Bases de
> >Datos y
> >>>>Servicios en Linea (CABASE). He is professor at the Universidad
> >Tecnologica
> >>>>Nacional, Buenos Aires and member of the board of the Fundacion
> >Ictys. He is
> >>>>engaged in the study and diffusion of the social impact of the
> >digital and
> >>>>network technologies and was an organizer of the IFWP-LA&C Buenos
> >Aires
> >>>>where he acted as scribe in some sessions. He was
> National Director
> >of
> >>>>Informatics Policies at the government of Argentina (1989-96). In
> >the 80s he
> >>>>worked in consultancy on information systems and technological
> >development
> >>>>in the computer industry. Previously he held managerial positions
> >in data
> >>>>processing in international companies and the state
> administration.
> >Mr.
> >>>>Plano is graduated in Information Systems.
> >>>>
> >>>>PETER DENGATE THRUSH (Wellington, New Zealand)
> >>>> Peter Dengate Thrush is a barrister, in practice in New
> >Zealand,
> >>>>specialising in intellectual property, IT and competition causes.
> >He has
> >>>>been counsel to Internet New Zealand, and its operating company
> >Domainz,
> >>>>since their inception in 1995/6. He is a former member of the New
> >Zealand
> >>>>volleyball team, and currently a director of Innovus Ltd, a
> >consulting and
> >>>>software development team. He is an expert on
> intellectual property
> >rights
> >>>>of indigenous peoples.
> >>>>
> >>>>JORGE VEGA (Lima, Peru)
> >>>> Jorge Vega is the General Manager partner at the law firm
> >Estudio
> >>>>Osterling, Arias-Schreiber, Vega, Orbegoso & Asociados.
> >>>>Born in Lima, Peru in 1944, Mr. Vega was educated at the Catholic
> >University
> >>>>of Peru and admitted to Peruvian bar in 1969, Peru. Mr. Vega
> >concentrates in
> >>>>Civil, Banking, Corporate, Litigation, Constitutional Law,
> >International
> >>>>Contracts, Real Estate and general legal practice.
> >>>> Professional experience: Member, Trainee Program Shearman &
> >Sterling
> >>>>(New York), Banking Legal practice, Citicorp (Main Office)
> >1969-1970.
> >>>>Professor, Catholic University of Peru, 1971-, and University of
> >Lima,
> >>>>1982-. Counsel, Commission Appointed to Reform the Civil Code.
> >Member,
> >>>>Commission Appointed to Reform the Civil Procedures Code. Former
> >Director,
> >>>>Lima Bar Association.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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