Javier Rodriguez wrote:
Hi Patricio . Back to my broken english ...
Hello Patricio! a taste saludarte and to know of you, is not rare to lose itself in all
this, he is much mail and it will deal with resumirte the points... already in another occasion has happened to 2 Latin brothers and I answer with fraterno respect to you of a brother and friend).
a) The "censorship" stuff is not only related to the Dennis problem, there
is the Baptista case, there is Jeff, Dave, there was some accusations
about more than 14 people not allowed to post, a peruvian fellow
and good friend included in that list, there is some people that say that
more than 400 members of their association are not allowed to subscribe
to the list and... yes! you can put anything on this tale of censorship. I am
not saying what is true or what is false, this is just a try to "resume" the
state of the "censorship" accusations (sp!).
The accusations as you put it Javier are much more than just
accusations
as you of course well know. I am a bit surprised that you phrased
this
comment in this manner considering the private posts you, I and David
have exchanged on the ongoing CENSORSHIP practices of the DNSO
List Administrator. But the facts and numbers you state here
are
essentially accurate at least. I suppose we [INEGroup] should
be
thankful for that, eh, my friend?!! >;)
[La traducción española de la traducción española
antedicha del antedicho
entiende por favor que mi español no es tan bueno como
los ingleses de Javier]
Las acusaciones como usted lo pone Javier son mucho más
que apenas
acusaciones como usted por supuesto bien sabe. Soy un dígito
binario
sorprendido que usted expresó este comentario de
esta manera que le
consideraba los postes privados, I y David ha intercambiado
en las prácticas en
curso de la CENSURA del administrador de la lista de DNSO.
Pero los hechos y
los números que usted indica aquí son esencialmente
exactos por lo menos.
Supongo que [ INEGroup ] debemos ser agradecidos para ése,
eh, mi amigo?!!
>;)
Javier, I am not sure what you are characterizing as noise, as you put
b) This is noise, more noise and more lost time because there is no clear
rules about what is allowed and not allowed on the list.
it here. However as you have now on several occasions posted to
me privately you know and believe that this SELECTIVE CENSORSHIP
is both damaging to what you espouse to, and what the DNSO/ICANN
is suppose to be all about. Continuation down this path of the practice
of SELECTIVE CENSORSHIP, serves no good or purpose, as I
am sure you know. I would hope and prefer to believe that your would
disenguage yourself from dual representation in this matter, my friend...
Again, the above in spanish:
Una vez más el antedicho en español:
Javier, no soy seguro qué usted está caracterizando
como ruido, como usted lo
pone aquí. Sin embargo como usted ahora tiene en varias
ocasiones fijadas a mí
privado usted saber y creer que esta CENSURA SELECTIVA es amba
el dañar a
lo que usted el espouse, y cuál el DNSO/ICANN es supone
para estar todo sobre.
La continuación abajo de este camino de la práctica
de la CENSURA, de
servicios ningún bueno o del propósito SELECTIVOS,
como soy seguro usted
sabe. Esperaría y lo preferiría para creer que
su el disenguage usted mismo de la
representación dual en esta materia, mi amigo...
c) I correct myself... there is a plain rule "to respect member of the list"... the
thing that is not elaborated is WHO is in charge of saying what is correct
and what is not correct. My point is that someday a person or group of
persons in charge of the DNSO GA mailing list can say "hey guy! you
can not say that Mr. Perfect, our dear Chairman of the Board of Directors
has made this or that against the ICANN bylaws... this is a lack of the
respect that you must give him... so, you are banned, you are out of the
GA list, you are out as a member of the GA... "
Essentually here Javier, you are correct in your characterization
of part,
but only part of the problem. As you correctly pointed out above,
in
your comments, the problem is also of representation, as some 400
or more or our members are unable to participate, and were prevented
from voting on the DNSO NC/ICANN Board elections, this includes
myself, David Jenson, and Brian Hollongsworth, all of whom are
DNSO members, and I have been from the beginning should you
or anyone wish to check the DNSO archives from June thru
the first part of August. Suddenly when the election rules were
posted on the DNSO site at http://www.dnso.org, or shortly
there after, I, David, Brian, Joe, and many of our members were
not allowed to participate. In the case of our 400 or more members
that wished to do so, they were not even allowed to subscribe
to the DNSO GA list at all. That is very terrible and improper
manner by which to conduct such an election. As you come from
latin America, I would think this sort of thing would be very
disagreeable with you, Javier my friend!!
Again, the above in spanish:
Una vez más el antedicho en español:
Essentually aquí Javier, usted está
correcto en su charaterization de la parte, pero
solamente de la parte del problema. a medida que usted correcto
precisar sobre, en su comentario, problema ser también
representación, como
alguno 400 o más o nuestro miembro no poder unable para
participar, y ser
prevenir votar en DNSO NC/ICANN tarjeta elección, éste
incluir me, David
Jenson, y Brian Hollongsworth, todo quién ser DNSO miembro,
y yo tener ser
principio deber usted o cualquier persona deseo para controlar
DNSO archivo
junio por primero parte agosto. Repentinamente cuando las
reglas de la elección fueron fijadas en el sitio de DNSO en
http://www.dnso.org, o pronto allí después de, no permitieron
I, David, Brian, Joe, y muchos de nuestros miembros participar. En
el caso de nuestros 400 o más miembros que deseaban hacer
así pues, incluso no fueron permitidos
suscribir a la lista de DNSO GA en todos. Ésa es la manera muy
terrible e
incorrecta por la cual conducir tal elección. Pues usted viene
de América latina,
pensaría que esta clase de cosa sería muy disagreable
con usted, Javier mi
amigo!!
You can see that the problem is the lack of a bodie, or the lack of rules to
ban people, to rule WHO and WHEN someone can say "bye bye!" to
the GA members. It is something that needs to be done. Thats all.
Again you seem to be switching your level of importance here
Javier.
Why is that I wonder? It is something that should have been done
from the very beginning. As it really was not, many stakeholders
are
now disenfranchized a fraud has been perpatrated upon them in this
process, not to mention the precepts of the White Paper and the
singed MoU between ICANN and the United States DOC/NTIA
has been violated, causing damage to those participants, of which I
am
one. You too indirectly have been damaged as well, as has everyone
that has been engaged in this process as a result to this SELECTIVE
CENSORSHIP practice of the ICANN/DNSO.
Again, the above in spanish:
Una vez más el antedicho en español:
Usted se parece otra vez cambiar su nivel de la importancia
aquí Javier. Por qué
es que me pregunto? Es algo que se debe haber hecho muy de comenzar.
Pues
realmente no estaba, muchos tenedores de apuestas son ahora
dissenfranchized
un fraude han sido perpatrated sobre ellos en este proceso,
para no mencionar
los preceptos del Libro Blanco y el MoU chamuscado entre ICANN
y los Estados
Unidos DOC/NTIA se ha violado, causando daño a esos participantes,
de
quienes soy uno. También le han dañado demasiado
indirectamente, como tiene
cada uno que ha sido enguaged en este proceso consecuentemente
a esta
práctica SELECTIVA de la CENSURA del ICANN/DNSO.
But, at the same time, my point is that we must talk about the WG-C proposal and the
AT Large elections, and look for help to translate the documents related
to the AT Large elections to many languages.
I believe I had already passed on some URL's for you to
accomplish this with great speed and little cost on the IFWP list
Javier.
Creo que había pasado ya en algún URL's para
que usted logre esto con gran
velocidad y poco coste en la lista Javier de IFWP.
Regards,Patricio, Araucan is a live language in your country ?
Buen dia amigo ! Y un abrazo desde Peru.
Javier
At 11/26/99 8:57:00 AM, you wrote:
>[">" = Javier Rodriguez]
>>
>> b) There is just SILENCE from the board about the Censorship that
>> seems to be disrupting the fairness of the process.
>
>Javier,
>
>Sorry if I have missed some of the discussions, so can you please explain to
>me what exactly this "censorship" is about?
>
>As far as I know, the fact that some of Dennis Schaefer's messages do not
>get archived has already been explained. His messages arrive all with the
>same message ID:
>
> Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>The archiving software (MHonArc) relies on the message IDs to identify
>messages, so if his mailing client is broken, there is no need to blame
>the board or the DNSO for it.
>
>Is there anything else to this "censorship" issue?
>
>Patricio Poblete
>
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