Thank you, Amir and Kunal, for all of your work on this.  It really is
appreciated, and the lists I am on that have been transferred so far seem
to be mostly okay.

I did note that for one of these lists, the "Information" setting somehow
got truncated.  As luck has it, we had that fully formatted information on
a page onwiki so I was able to "repair" it quickly.

I also note that a non-archiving list of which I am one of the owners shows
that it is being actively archived by "hyperkitty".  What is that, and why
is anything or anyone archiving a deliberately non-archiving list?

Risker/Anne

On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 13:17, Andre Koopal <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Amir,
>
> Thanks indeed for the upgrade, something I also think that was highly
> needed from a security perspective, so a good thing.
>
> One thing I did notice with my list being migrated is that we had some
> lists of non-members being able to post and also some blocked users. I
> don't find them back in the settings under message acceptance, but I find
> them in the users section under non members. I find this a bit strange.
> First of all you really need to go into the user itself before you see if
> it is a user you allow as non-member, or that it is a user marked to
> automatically discard. Secondly due to that when an account is created on
> that e-mail, you see the lists you are a non-member of. You fortunately
> can't see why you are a non-member, but it seems a small data-leak to me.
>
> Will the old fields to filter users under settings/message acceptance
> still work, or will those users automatically converted to non-members? As
> an admin that will be difficult to manage, and it would be at least needed
> to be able to filter on the set action so you can see what is what. Also I
> don't think the interface should show you the lists you are a non-member of.
>
> Any thoughts from others on this?
>
> Regards,
>
> André Koopal
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 18:32, Amir Sarabadani <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Two updates:
>>  - We have been upgrading mailing lists to mailman3, now more than 1/4th
>> of mailing lists have been migrated, more follow today and next week. Some
>> actions needed (see below)
>>  - We created a new mailing list called listadmins-announce and we are
>> turning listadmins to a discussion mailing list. So If you don't wish to be
>> involved in mailing list administration discussions, you can unsubscribe
>> from listadmins [1] [2]. But being a member of listadmins-announce is not
>> optional (you can unsubscribe, but you'll be automatically added back in
>> the next update).
>>
>> *More on upgrade to mm3:*
>> Upgrading +700 mailing lists and more than 17 years of digital archive
>> is... challenging and Mailman3, while being much better than mailman2, is
>> not perfect.
>>
>> One known issue is that the upgrade script sometimes truncates the info
>> field. We have made changes and reported it to upstream to mitigate it but
>> some mailing lists might not be easily fixable (python version
>> incompatibilities, etc.). So If your mailing list has been upgraded, please
>> check and fix that if it happens. Sorry for any inconvenience.
>>
>> Private mailing lists won't be upgraded for now (possibly later next week
>> or the week after).
>>
>> I recommend creating a central account [3] so you can have better control
>> over mailing lists you are a member of or you are an admin.
>>
>> Please report any issues to us.
>>
>> Happy emailing
>>
>> [1]
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/listadmins.lists.wikimedia.org/
>> [2]
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/listadmins-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/
>> [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/accounts/signup/
>>
>> --
>> Amir (he/him)
>>
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