On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 23:05, Kunal Mehta <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 8/18/21 5:38 PM, Platonides wrote:
> > Could we have a tutorial on how to unsubscribe?
>
> I created <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Unsubscribing>
> as a quick start, it can surely be improved.
>

Thanks for the start!
I will try to find time to improve it.

> <snip>
> > interface), but the users seem to be misled by the fact that they have
> > to /create/ an account so they can see their subscriptions (for which
> > they signed up in mailman2) and then finally unsubscribe.
> > The interface does say "If you have not previously logged in, you may
> > need to set up an account with the appropriate email address.", but
> > that's apparently not enough (and admittedly, is not intuitive).
>
> Yeah, this is...not great. You can unsubscribe without creating an
> account by using the email gateway of
> <listname>[email protected] (in the default footer and in
> List-Unsubscribe), but most people probably want to use the web
> interface. <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/189> is the
> ticket requesting this upstream.
>
> > So perhaps we should make some content explicitely addressing how to
> > unsubscribe in mailman3, which could then be placed on
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/unsubscribe
> > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/unsubscribe> for benefit of all lits.
>
> I'd prefer to have a wiki page just so it's easier for people to edit
> and sysadmins don't stand in the way of getting content updated, and we
> can make it translatable, etc. We can set up a redirect from that URL to
> the wiki page if that would be convenient.
>
> On the Tor-announce list, they start most emails with a sentence like:
>
> > (If you are about to reply saying "please take me off this list",
> > instead please follow these instructions:
> > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-announce/
>
> Doing something like that for lists that get a lot of manual unsubscribe
> requests might be beneficial.
>
> -- Kunal
>

We have all seen people doing the wrong thing to unsubscribe. The part that
I found concerning was that multiple people mentioned that they had tried
but failed.

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