That’s a perfect example Michael.

Or, let’s say I am in IT at Target, maybe later I move into IT at an HVAC 
company that has VPN access to Target (IT guys working at companies that do 
business with their former employers? Never happens right?). Maybe my PC at the 
HVAC place get compromised and since Target never disabled my account and I use 
the same password at %newjob% as I did %oldjob%, a simple hop over VPN now 
leverages the access I had at Target…

Except what actually happened with Target was more *harder* than what I 
described above.

IMO any place that doesn’t require a password expiration of any kind is likely 
(exceptions to this, sure) the same place that doesn’t have a process for 
disabling all the access former employees have.

Dave

From: listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Micheal Espinola Jr
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:31 PM
To: ntsys...@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] RE: Password expiring debate on patch management


  1.  Old admin knows many management passwords
  2.  Old admin goes to work for competitor
  3.  Company and competitor are up for same contracts
  4.  Old admin remotes into company to look at emails and presentation 
materials
  5.  Competitor starts taking business from company by usurping sales pitches 
in very specific ways
  6.  I get hired 2+ years after old admin in question
  7.  I review remote logs to establish behavioral patterns
  8.  I see odd logon behavior and trace repetitive IPs
  9.  I trace IPs to competitor as well as old admin specifically

I am Jacks complete lack of surprise when management doesnt change their 
password and uses the same passwords for many things.



--
Espi


On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Kennedy, Jim 
<kennedy...@elyriaschools.org<mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:

"Even six months is far better than never"

Why?

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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 6:58 PM
To: ntsys...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsys...@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [NTSysADM] Password expiring debate on patch management
Anyone see the debate on the Patch management list, driven by this: 
https://www.cesg.gov.uk/articles/problems-forcing-regular-password-expiry

I don’t even know how it’s a debate other than the desired frequency (no 
one-size-fits-all on that IMO). Even six months is far better than never. With 
expiring passwords you at bare minimum mitigate employee’s that leave.

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