Hi Jeremiah and All,
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From: "Jeremiah Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "FLEAA Mailing List"
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Subject: Re: [FLEAA] EFFORT TO SAVE USF VANS
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:10:22 -0400
>I'm probably missing something here, but how could it be
>more expensive to buy batteries for this then for a built
>from scratch conversion?
It needs I think 38 batts where as nice light EV
commuters, kids to school, food, shopping, ect, could use
just 12 batts each for a town car. We can use inexpensive
forklift motors, make our own
adapter/coupler/charger/controller for under $500. It could
cost 1/2 what an ICE costs to run. If a buyer wants to
upgrade electronics it's easily done.
The Van is going to need things besides batteries
and what's it going to cost to buy. Minimum I see is about
$8k to buy, get it running. You'd probably need to buy both
for spares as much custom things on it, costing more. It's
OK if you have a use for it like what it's designed for,
hauling a lot of people, things, but if not, it's a lot of
money to sit, die again. An EV needs to match it's mission.
For $6k in parts you'd have 2 small EV's worth
probably $5k-8k each.
But should the club even be in the buying EV
business? Helping each other get their EV's on the road and
as a teaching tool would work well I'd think. Then we
wouldn't have to have a shop, raise money, ect.
Conversions are easy, especially on small EV's. And
I was told our goal is to do EV's so others could learn to
do their own. On say a VW bug with all the parts you might
be able to finish in a day or 2 with 6-10 people helping and
all the parts ready, having an old fashion EV raising!
Jerry Dycus
Seems to me that at least the
>conversion part of these vans would be complete, and only
>components would have to be replaced. But for a new
>conversion, the same components would still have to be
>bought including all the rest that are still good on the
>van, and the actual conversion would still have to be done.
> I see merit to both sides, I just don't see how it could
>be more money to replace a few of the components then to
>buy all of them. Sounds kind of like they were rust
>buckets, but that could be fixed too. Just my 2 cents.
>
>On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM, jerryd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Michael and All,
>>
>> But what would we have afterward, an
>> expensive to run EV with little cash value. If you could
>> put it in shuttle service somewhere, short distances,
>> full load, it might earn it's keep daily, but battery
>> costs/mile whether used or not will eat you up as will
>> the charging bill/mile if you got it cheap/scrap price.
>> Another is as a commuting van where it takes 8 people to
>> work each day including the driver, 10-20 miles depending
>> on what it's range it, back home afterward, it could pay
>> it's way. Now if you could get a grant
>> for the costs plus running costs and we could give it to
>> a good org that can use it every day to lower their fuel
>> costs and we could maintain it with the second one for
>> backup parts, could work. But that should be in hand
>> before buying them. For the same money we
>> could build 2 lighter, more practical, eff, cost
>> effective EV's, which would get used and be worth much
>> more than we had in them. Civic's, VW's, MR2, ect or
>> members EV's would be better EV's to build and be a
>> better teaching aid to our members as it would be
>> something more like they want to do. BTW
>> The new Fed energy bill compromise has a $2500 credit
>> for converting to an alt fueled engine but it hopefully
>> won't get passed because it mostly corporate welfare.
>> Hopefully they'll make a better bill with the conversion
>>credit still in it.
>> Jerry Dycus
>>
>> ----- Original Message Follows -----
>> From: "Michael Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [FLEAA] EFFORT TO SAVE USF VANS
>> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:54:51 -0400x>Lets preserve these
>> vans and not let them go to the scrap
>> >yard. Bill Young has suggested we get these vans
>> >together and get them somewhere everyone can see them.
>> >If anyone could contribute a small amount to buy these
>> >vans from the current owners we could get them at a
>> >decent price. If everyone puts our money together we
>> >could save the vans and at least restore the body of
>> >them. I would gladly donate my time to getting them
>> >back on the road but if we could at least get them out
>> >of the elements at least it is a step in the right
>> >direction.
>> >There are places that have classic cars for show and
>> >sale. What about a similar place dedicated to electric
>> >vehicles?
>> >
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