Jerry, thanks for clarifying that. I was thinking more along the lines of me buying one of the vans and the replacement components and having the club help get it running, rather then the club buying it. Just a thought. But now I see your point. I would be interested in getting more details about building a small ev for about $6k in parts.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:01 PM, jerryd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Jeremiah and All, > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > From: "Jeremiah Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "FLEAA Mailing List" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FLEAA] EFFORT TO SAVE USF VANS > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:10:22 -0400 > > >I'm probably missing something here, but how could it be > >more expensive to buy batteries for this then for a built > >from scratch conversion? > > It needs I think 38 batts where as nice light EV > commuters, kids to school, food, shopping, ect, could use > just 12 batts each for a town car. We can use inexpensive > forklift motors, make our own > adapter/coupler/charger/controller for under $500. It could > cost 1/2 what an ICE costs to run. If a buyer wants to > upgrade electronics it's easily done. > The Van is going to need things besides batteries > and what's it going to cost to buy. Minimum I see is about > $8k to buy, get it running. You'd probably need to buy both > for spares as much custom things on it, costing more. It's > OK if you have a use for it like what it's designed for, > hauling a lot of people, things, but if not, it's a lot of > money to sit, die again. An EV needs to match it's mission. > For $6k in parts you'd have 2 small EV's worth > probably $5k-8k each. > But should the club even be in the buying EV > business? Helping each other get their EV's on the road and > as a teaching tool would work well I'd think. Then we > wouldn't have to have a shop, raise money, ect. > Conversions are easy, especially on small EV's. And > I was told our goal is to do EV's so others could learn to > do their own. On say a VW bug with all the parts you might > be able to finish in a day or 2 with 6-10 people helping and > all the parts ready, having an old fashion EV raising! > > Jerry Dycus > > Seems to me that at least the > >conversion part of these vans would be complete, and only > >components would have to be replaced. But for a new > >conversion, the same components would still have to be > >bought including all the rest that are still good on the > >van, and the actual conversion would still have to be done. > > I see merit to both sides, I just don't see how it could > >be more money to replace a few of the components then to > >buy all of them. Sounds kind of like they were rust > >buckets, but that could be fixed too. Just my 2 cents. > > > >On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM, jerryd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi Michael and All, > >> > >> But what would we have afterward, an > >> expensive to run EV with little cash value. If you could > >> put it in shuttle service somewhere, short distances, > >> full load, it might earn it's keep daily, but battery > >> costs/mile whether used or not will eat you up as will > >> the charging bill/mile if you got it cheap/scrap price. > >> Another is as a commuting van where it takes 8 people to > >> work each day including the driver, 10-20 miles depending > >> on what it's range it, back home afterward, it could pay > >> it's way. Now if you could get a grant > >> for the costs plus running costs and we could give it to > >> a good org that can use it every day to lower their fuel > >> costs and we could maintain it with the second one for > >> backup parts, could work. But that should be in hand > >> before buying them. For the same money we > >> could build 2 lighter, more practical, eff, cost > >> effective EV's, which would get used and be worth much > >> more than we had in them. Civic's, VW's, MR2, ect or > >> members EV's would be better EV's to build and be a > >> better teaching aid to our members as it would be > >> something more like they want to do. BTW > >> The new Fed energy bill compromise has a $2500 credit > >> for converting to an alt fueled engine but it hopefully > >> won't get passed because it mostly corporate welfare. > >> Hopefully they'll make a better bill with the conversion > >>credit still in it. > >> Jerry Dycus > >> > >> ----- Original Message Follows ----- > >> From: "Michael Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [FLEAA] EFFORT TO SAVE USF VANS > >> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:54:51 -0400x>Lets preserve these > >> vans and not let them go to the scrap > >> >yard. Bill Young has suggested we get these vans > >> >together and get them somewhere everyone can see them. > >> >If anyone could contribute a small amount to buy these > >> >vans from the current owners we could get them at a > >> >decent price. If everyone puts our money together we > >> >could save the vans and at least restore the body of > >> >them. I would gladly donate my time to getting them > >> >back on the road but if we could at least get them out > >> >of the elements at least it is a step in the right > >> >direction. > >> >There are places that have classic cars for show and > >> >sale. What about a similar place dedicated to electric > >> >vehicles? > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Florida EAA mailing list > >> >[email protected] > >> >http://www.floridaeaa.org > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Florida EAA mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.floridaeaa.org > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Florida EAA mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.floridaeaa.org >
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