this was my hope for an EV club, get er done with many people working and 
learning and putting together several vehicles, that is if we could all find 
donor vehicles and parts and time to contribute?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Clark 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:23 AM
  Subject: [FLEAA] SAVE THE USF VANS


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    From: "Jeremiah Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "FLEAA Mailing List"
    <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: [FLEAA] EFFORT TO SAVE USF VANS
    Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:10:22 -0400

    >I'm probably missing something here, but how could it be
    >more expensive to buy batteries for this then for a built
    >from scratch conversion?

            It needs I think 38 batts where as  nice light EV
    commuters, kids to school, food, shopping, ect, could use
    just 12 batts each for a town car. We can use inexpensive
    forklift motors, make our own
    adapter/coupler/charger/controller for under $500. It could
    cost 1/2 what an ICE costs to run. If a buyer wants to
    upgrade electronics it's easily done.
            The Van is going to need things besides batteries
    and what's it going to cost to buy. Minimum I see is about
    $8k to buy, get it running. You'd probably need to buy both
    for spares as much custom things on it, costing more. It's
    OK if you have a use for it like what it's designed for,
    hauling a lot of people, things, but if not, it's a lot of
    money to sit, die again. An EV needs to match it's mission.
            For $6k in parts you'd have 2 small EV's worth
    probably $5k-8k each.
            But should the club even be in the buying EV
    business? Helping each other get their EV's on the road and
    as a teaching tool would work well I'd think. Then we
    wouldn't have to have a shop, raise money, ect.
            Conversions are easy, especially on small EV's. And
    I was told our goal is to do EV's so others could learn to
    do their own. On say a VW bug with all the parts you might
    be able to finish in a day or 2 with 6-10 people helping and
    all the parts ready,  having an old fashion EV raising!

                                    Jerry Dycus


  From a business and money standpoint, you are 100% correct Jerry.  Cost 
benefit and roi would say scrap em and use the motor drive system if it still 
works in other projects.  

  This isnt the angle I am going for.  These vans were built 10 years ago.  
Bill Young has a van similar that was built in a study for vehicles to go 
electric.  These vans are a part of the electric vehcile history and show that 
the EV technology was available 10 years ago.  OPEC successfully helped kill 
the electric vehicle drive back then by making oil very cheap.  I remember a 
Exxon on nebraska and fletcher that had 87 octane gas for 85 cents a gallon in 
1997.  We have been stabbed in the back since then.  The dream of fast cars 
that ran on cheap gas is now a nightmare.  We bought into the dream and look 
where we are today.

  If we had a show piece for the EV initiative that was built 10 years ago 
people will see that EVs are not a dream but have been the solution for 10 
years. The exact reason why we are not electric is unknown but we have have a 
good idea why. 








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