I was having a conversation with Jerry as a continuation of the conversation on the USF vans. Apparently somewhere along the lines it stopped being on the listserver. I think there is some good info, so I am posting it back up for more people to see.
> Hi Jeremiah and All, > > From: "Jeremiah Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FLEAA] EFFORT TO SAVE USF VANS > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:44:43 -0400 > >Jerry, thanks for clarifying that. I was thinking more > >along the lines of me buying one of the vans and the > >replacement components and having the club help get it > >running, rather then the club buying it. > That's fine as long as you know what you are > getting into. It's a really big EV. And I'm willing to help > get it going if you do. > Just what kind of motor, controller is in it? The > motor company I hear made 3ph mostly. > > Just a thought. > >But now I see your point. I would be interested in getting > >more details about building a small ev for about $6k in > >parts. > I had said 2 small EV's for that in parts, not 1. > How is by being smart in your glider choice, ie > light, and finding low cost parts or making your own. > For instance a VW Bug which I'm about to do cost > under $200 for the used forklift motor, $100 for > adapter/coupler materials, $100 for the contactor > controller. The chargers made from dead GC chargers > converted to 72vdc or 2 at 36vdc with 12 GC batts, $100, > makes a nice town car EV, $1000 with say $400 misc. I > actually have all those parts at 50% or less of those > prices. > Same can be done with Karman Ghia's, MG's, Datsun > 1200, Geo Metros, ect, almost any lightweight car. > I built an EV from Wood/epoxy body/chassis and > motor/charger from a Citi-car I drove for 10 yrs for under > $1k. It went 60 mph though mostly driven at 45mph. > EV's don't have to be expensive and shouldn't be if > one is trying to save money, energy and cut money to those > whom oil supports, especially dictators and terrorists. > It's easier to sell less expensive EV's too and > possible to make a good profit on them. > Other inexpensive EV's can be made from a MC > frontend, Frame with a GC rear, seat welded to it. 14" > tires, 72vdc, field weakening will make a nice 3wh 45-50mph > 3 seat trike for under $1k. Or better, do an aero cabin > trike just using the GC transaxle, motor could get to 55-60 > mph on the stock motor, much more with the motors made to > bolt up available to hop up GC's. Or make your own > transaxle. > Even production EV's will only be profitable if > started with a very lightweight > glider as EV's cost by the lb. WE don't need advanced > batteries anywhere as much as we need advanced gliders to > make them from. The Solectria Sunrise-Sunrise 2, the Impact > and the GM Ultra-lite show car are a good way to go. > Jerry Dycus > > Hi Jerry, > Thank you for that in depth answer. One question, what is GC. You > mentioned GC chargers and GC batteries. I would love to do a VW bug or > Kharman Ghia. Both of those cars were among my favorites when I was growing > up. I also was thinking that a VW Squareback would be pretty good too, > because of the extra space for batteries. I used to own one in high school > that I built from two junkers. My mom is looking to go green. Back in the > day she was a hippie and an activist, but along they way of trying to raise > 4 kids after my dad died, she gave in to trying to give us kids a "normal" > lifestyle. I think with my strong interest in trying to go alternative, it > has woken her back up to wanting to make a difference. She is very > interested in getting an EV, but just can't afford these $15,000+ > conversions that I have been seeing. Honestly, I would love to be able to > build her an EV and send it home to her to pay back in some small way all > the things she has done for us kids. She also loves the old school VW line, > so I think if I built her one of those it would just be perfect. But I also > couldn't afford the builds I had been seeing. But I might be able to pull > it off for the prices you are talking about. I would really like to get > together with you to get one of these built if at all possible. She lives > 17 miles from town, but sometimes has to drive to the other side of the > island, which is probably about 32 or so miles from her house. She might be > able to charge up somewhere once she gets there, but I'm not sure. Most of > the roads by her house are about 35mph speed limit. She lives on the island > of Maui, so there is no interstate or freeways. She does have an ICE car > that she could probably keep for longer trips to the other side of the > island I suppose. > By the way, I think that last email was only sent to me, but I could be > wrong. If so, I would like to re-send it to the group, I think that is some > very good info for newbies like me. > Thank you for your time. > Jeremiah #64 > > Hi Jeremiah, > Yes, I'm not great at computers so > messing up URL's is a problem of mine still. Please put it > and this even as I mostly write for many to read and > hopefully because of their low cost, even poor people could > afford EV's, being less than the cost of gas/yr or 2 in many > present vehicles. It took 2 hours to write that one. Insert > next and it should read in correct oder. Snip, add as you > want. > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > From: "Jeremiah Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Low cost EV's, EFFORT TO SAVE USF VANS > Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:12:44 -0400 > > >Hi Jerry, > >Thank you for that in depth answer. > > That's what I'm here for. > > One question, what is > >GC. You mentioned GC chargers and GC batteries. > > Golf Cart > > I would > >love to do a VW bug or Kharman Ghia. Both of those cars > >were among my favorites when I was growing up. I also was > >thinking that a VW Squareback would be pretty good too, > >because of the extra space for batteries. > > If you want to go over 45mph much, other than the > Bug/Superbeetle, Type2-4 is better as more aero. Make sure > you find good ones as many have rusted. Best to pay more to > get a good body, chassis, a lot cheaper than fixing it > yourself. Mine was just painted before a small engine fire > killed the motor. > If you want to come help me do mine to learn is > cool. Better because I can't lift much anymore so could use > a hand getting the engine out and the new EV motor back in > is what's holding me back now. I've been trying to hire > someone for that, fix up my place but not much luck because > it's only 4hr/day though if productive, could be full time > later. > - Hide quoted text - > I used to own > >one in high school that I built from two junkers. My mom > >is looking to go green. Back in the day she was a hippie > >and an activist, but along they way of trying to raise 4 > >kids after my dad died, she gave in to trying to give us > >kids a "normal" lifestyle. I think with my strong interest > >in trying to go alternative, it has woken her back up to > >wanting to make a difference. She is very interested in > >getting an EV, but just can't afford these $15,000+ > >conversions that I have been seeing. > Honestly, I would > >love to be able to build her an EV and send it home to her > >to pay back in some small way all the things she has done > >for us kids. She also loves the old school VW line, so I > >think if I built her one of those it would just be perfect. > > But I also couldn't afford the builds I had been seeing. > >But I might be able to pull it off for the prices you are > >talking about. I would really like to get together with > >you to get one of these built if at all possible. She > >lives 17 miles from town, but sometimes has to drive to the > >other side of the island, which is probably about 32 or so > >miles from her house. She might be able to charge up > >somewhere once she gets there, but I'm not sure. Most of > >the roads by her house are about 35mph speed limit. She > >lives on the island of Maui, so there is no interstate or > >freeways. She does have an ICE car that she could probably > >keep for longer trips to the other side of the island I > >suppose. By the way, I think that last email was only sent > >to me, but I could be wrong. If so, I would like to > >re-send it to the group, I think that is some very good > >info for newbies like me. Thank you for your time. > >Jeremiah #64 > > I think that's a great idea and with a charge point > like any gas station, parking garage, library, friend should > be able to get back without a problem. I'm assuming there is > a fair amount of up and down driving. But 96vdc of golf cart > batts like the T105's, East Penn'/Deka or US batts should > get her there and home. Hard to tell as the Devil is in the > details. But at 35mph which would be a bug's sweet spot with > low rolling resistance tires/LRR, syn lube in the tranny, > ect it might even make it on 72vdc of larger amphr GC batts. > If nothing else, a small gen for the long trips could be > used. After I get mine done, I'll know better. > Jerry Dycus >
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