Jerry, I would be more than happy to come over and help you out. I think that would be a great opportunity to learn from you. My schedule is very erratic, I never have the same days off or even the same hours. So it would be on a week by week basis of knowing when I would have some time off. I have wed and thur off this week, but next week I am taking off for Virginia to go racing. What area do you live in again? Give me a call: 727.463.0020. Jeremiah #64
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Jeremiah Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I was having a conversation with Jerry as a continuation of the > conversation on the USF vans. Apparently somewhere along the lines it > stopped being on the listserver. I think there is some good info, so I am > posting it back up for more people to see. > > >> Hi Jeremiah and All, >> >> From: "Jeremiah Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [FLEAA] EFFORT TO SAVE USF VANS >> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:44:43 -0400 >> >Jerry, thanks for clarifying that. I was thinking more >> >along the lines of me buying one of the vans and the >> >replacement components and having the club help get it >> >running, rather then the club buying it. >> That's fine as long as you know what you are >> getting into. It's a really big EV. And I'm willing to help >> get it going if you do. >> Just what kind of motor, controller is in it? The >> motor company I hear made 3ph mostly. >> >> Just a thought. >> >But now I see your point. I would be interested in getting >> >more details about building a small ev for about $6k in >> >parts. >> I had said 2 small EV's for that in parts, not 1. >> How is by being smart in your glider choice, ie >> light, and finding low cost parts or making your own. >> For instance a VW Bug which I'm about to do cost >> under $200 for the used forklift motor, $100 for >> adapter/coupler materials, $100 for the contactor >> controller. The chargers made from dead GC chargers >> converted to 72vdc or 2 at 36vdc with 12 GC batts, $100, >> makes a nice town car EV, $1000 with say $400 misc. I >> actually have all those parts at 50% or less of those >> prices. >> Same can be done with Karman Ghia's, MG's, Datsun >> 1200, Geo Metros, ect, almost any lightweight car. >> I built an EV from Wood/epoxy body/chassis and >> motor/charger from a Citi-car I drove for 10 yrs for under >> $1k. It went 60 mph though mostly driven at 45mph. >> EV's don't have to be expensive and shouldn't be if >> one is trying to save money, energy and cut money to those >> whom oil supports, especially dictators and terrorists. >> It's easier to sell less expensive EV's too and >> possible to make a good profit on them. >> Other inexpensive EV's can be made from a MC >> frontend, Frame with a GC rear, seat welded to it. 14" >> tires, 72vdc, field weakening will make a nice 3wh 45-50mph >> 3 seat trike for under $1k. Or better, do an aero cabin >> trike just using the GC transaxle, motor could get to 55-60 >> mph on the stock motor, much more with the motors made to >> bolt up available to hop up GC's. Or make your own >> transaxle. >> Even production EV's will only be profitable if >> started with a very lightweight >> glider as EV's cost by the lb. WE don't need advanced >> batteries anywhere as much as we need advanced gliders to >> make them from. The Solectria Sunrise-Sunrise 2, the Impact >> and the GM Ultra-lite show car are a good way to go. >> Jerry Dycus >> > > >> Hi Jerry, >> Thank you for that in depth answer. One question, what is GC. You >> mentioned GC chargers and GC batteries. I would love to do a VW bug or >> Kharman Ghia. Both of those cars were among my favorites when I was growing >> up. I also was thinking that a VW Squareback would be pretty good too, >> because of the extra space for batteries. I used to own one in high school >> that I built from two junkers. My mom is looking to go green. Back in the >> day she was a hippie and an activist, but along they way of trying to raise >> 4 kids after my dad died, she gave in to trying to give us kids a "normal" >> lifestyle. I think with my strong interest in trying to go alternative, it >> has woken her back up to wanting to make a difference. She is very >> interested in getting an EV, but just can't afford these $15,000+ >> conversions that I have been seeing. Honestly, I would love to be able to >> build her an EV and send it home to her to pay back in some small way all >> the things she has done for us kids. She also loves the old school VW line, >> so I think if I built her one of those it would just be perfect. But I also >> couldn't afford the builds I had been seeing. But I might be able to pull >> it off for the prices you are talking about. I would really like to get >> together with you to get one of these built if at all possible. She lives >> 17 miles from town, but sometimes has to drive to the other side of the >> island, which is probably about 32 or so miles from her house. She might be >> able to charge up somewhere once she gets there, but I'm not sure. Most of >> the roads by her house are about 35mph speed limit. She lives on the island >> of Maui, so there is no interstate or freeways. She does have an ICE car >> that she could probably keep for longer trips to the other side of the >> island I suppose. >> By the way, I think that last email was only sent to me, but I could be >> wrong. If so, I would like to re-send it to the group, I think that is some >> very good info for newbies like me. >> Thank you for your time. >> Jeremiah #64 > > > >> >> Hi Jeremiah, >> Yes, I'm not great at computers so >> messing up URL's is a problem of mine still. Please put it >> and this even as I mostly write for many to read and >> hopefully because of their low cost, even poor people could >> afford EV's, being less than the cost of gas/yr or 2 in many >> present vehicles. It took 2 hours to write that one. Insert >> next and it should read in correct oder. Snip, add as you >> want. >> >> ----- Original Message Follows ----- >> From: "Jeremiah Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Low cost EV's, EFFORT TO SAVE USF VANS >> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:12:44 -0400 >> >> >Hi Jerry, >> >Thank you for that in depth answer. >> >> That's what I'm here for. >> >> One question, what is >> >GC. You mentioned GC chargers and GC batteries. >> >> Golf Cart >> >> I would >> >love to do a VW bug or Kharman Ghia. Both of those cars >> >were among my favorites when I was growing up. I also was >> >thinking that a VW Squareback would be pretty good too, >> >because of the extra space for batteries. >> >> If you want to go over 45mph much, other than the >> Bug/Superbeetle, Type2-4 is better as more aero. Make sure >> you find good ones as many have rusted. Best to pay more to >> get a good body, chassis, a lot cheaper than fixing it >> yourself. Mine was just painted before a small engine fire >> killed the motor. >> If you want to come help me do mine to learn is >> cool. Better because I can't lift much anymore so could use >> a hand getting the engine out and the new EV motor back in >> is what's holding me back now. I've been trying to hire >> someone for that, fix up my place but not much luck because >> it's only 4hr/day though if productive, could be full time >> later. >> - Hide quoted text - >> I used to own >> >one in high school that I built from two junkers. My mom >> >is looking to go green. Back in the day she was a hippie >> >and an activist, but along they way of trying to raise 4 >> >kids after my dad died, she gave in to trying to give us >> >kids a "normal" lifestyle. I think with my strong interest >> >in trying to go alternative, it has woken her back up to >> >wanting to make a difference. She is very interested in >> >getting an EV, but just can't afford these $15,000+ >> >conversions that I have been seeing. >> Honestly, I would >> >love to be able to build her an EV and send it home to her >> >to pay back in some small way all the things she has done >> >for us kids. She also loves the old school VW line, so I >> >think if I built her one of those it would just be perfect. >> > But I also couldn't afford the builds I had been seeing. >> >But I might be able to pull it off for the prices you are >> >talking about. I would really like to get together with >> >you to get one of these built if at all possible. She >> >lives 17 miles from town, but sometimes has to drive to the >> >other side of the island, which is probably about 32 or so >> >miles from her house. She might be able to charge up >> >somewhere once she gets there, but I'm not sure. Most of >> >the roads by her house are about 35mph speed limit. She >> >lives on the island of Maui, so there is no interstate or >> >freeways. She does have an ICE car that she could probably >> >keep for longer trips to the other side of the island I >> >suppose. By the way, I think that last email was only sent >> >to me, but I could be wrong. If so, I would like to >> >re-send it to the group, I think that is some very good >> >info for newbies like me. Thank you for your time. >> >Jeremiah #64 >> >> I think that's a great idea and with a charge point >> like any gas station, parking garage, library, friend should >> be able to get back without a problem. I'm assuming there is >> a fair amount of up and down driving. But 96vdc of golf cart >> batts like the T105's, East Penn'/Deka or US batts should >> get her there and home. Hard to tell as the Devil is in the >> details. But at 35mph which would be a bug's sweet spot with >> low rolling resistance tires/LRR, syn lube in the tranny, >> ect it might even make it on 72vdc of larger amphr GC batts. >> If nothing else, a small gen for the long trips could be >> used. After I get mine done, I'll know better. >> Jerry Dycus >> >
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